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> Because a large chunk of the "Leave" voters (I don't have percentages" are regretting it already. Clearly those people exist, but is there really any reason

by Joeboy 10y ago

> Because a large chunk of the "Leave" voters (I don't have percentages" are regretting it already. Clearly those people exist, but is there really any reason to think they are "a large chunk"? It's possible, but I would be surprised if millions of people had done a complete political U-turn overnight.

davidgerard 10y ago
Yeah, that's why I'm waiting on numbers (per edit).
TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
A lot of people in the UK's more deprived areas have been relying on EU money to keep some semblance of economic activity going. These areas literally have nothing. There used to be industry, but the Tories killed most of that and sent it abroad because they could make more money by selling and/or offshoring it. There's some tourism. Maybe some food production. A little light industry. And that's pretty much it. These areas had some of the strongest leave votes. Today they've woken up and demanded that the UK government continue to give them the same level of funding they got from the EU. Which is never going to happen. So - regrets - they have a few. But then again, certainly not too few to mention.
- vidarh 10y ago
  Just to be clear in case someone thinks this is exaggerated: Cornwall voted Leave. Cornwall Council immediately started begging Westminster to plug the 60 million pounds/year funding hole that Brexit will leave as a result of lost EU funds. From [1]: > John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations. > “We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.” [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwa...
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    To me, that just suggests the kind of wishful thinking that won the referendum is still alive and well.
  - vonklaus 10y ago
    but where did the money come from? The EU doesn't just randomly dole out capital, right? The UK must pay into some sort of central fund? I have heard they pay as much as 3%(of GDP, taxes I am not sure) but the money must come from somewhere, of course. What capital flows out of UK and into the UK based on the old (or current) model?
    - vidarh 10y ago
      The EU doesn't "just randomly dole out capital", no, but Cornwall is one of the most deprived regions of the EU, and so got development funds from funding mechanisms earmarked for under-developed regions. Notably, it was/is this underdeveloped because pre-EU British government had not bothered to invest much in Cornwall. In terms of payments, the UK is a net contributor overall, but part of the issue is that the UK could have funnelled money into regional development whenever it wanted to, but hasn't, so for Cornwall to think that the government will prioritise them now is quite comical, given that the government will have to prepare for extensive reductions in treasury income that's likely to make the EU contributions seem cheap. This has been a recurring theme: The wishful thinking that a post-Brexit UK government will suddenly change priorities and allocate lots of money to things they have been mercilessly cutting so far, even in the face of massive economic uncertainty. Many of the areas voting Leave will be in the same boat as Cornwall of having substantial EU funding stripped, while facing an uphill battle to convince the UK government to replace it.
wool_gather 10y ago
It's a fair point, but it wouldn't take _millions_ of them to change the result. "Leave" won by about 1.3 million votes (about 4% of the approximately 35 million votes cast). So if there's 700k people who voted "Leave" but wouldn't have if they knew it would win... I'd like to think that's still too many, but I don't know.

by Joeboy 10y ago

davidgerard 10y ago

Yeah, that's why I'm waiting on numbers (per edit).

TheOtherHobbes 10y ago

A lot of people in the UK's more deprived areas have been relying on EU money to keep some semblance of economic activity going. These areas literally have nothing. There used to be industry, but the Tories killed most of that and sent it abroad because they could make more money by selling and/or offshoring it. There's some tourism. Maybe some food production. A little light industry. And that's pretty much it. These areas had some of the strongest leave votes. Today they've woken up and demanded that the UK government continue to give them the same level of funding they got from the EU. Which is never going to happen. So - regrets - they have a few. But then again, certainly not too few to mention.

vidarh 10y ago
Just to be clear in case someone thinks this is exaggerated: Cornwall voted Leave. Cornwall Council immediately started begging Westminster to plug the 60 million pounds/year funding hole that Brexit will leave as a result of lost EU funds. From [1]: > John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations. > “We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.” [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwa...
- Joeboy 10y ago
  To me, that just suggests the kind of wishful thinking that won the referendum is still alive and well.
- vonklaus 10y ago
  but where did the money come from? The EU doesn't just randomly dole out capital, right? The UK must pay into some sort of central fund? I have heard they pay as much as 3%(of GDP, taxes I am not sure) but the money must come from somewhere, of course. What capital flows out of UK and into the UK based on the old (or current) model?
  - vidarh 10y ago
    The EU doesn't "just randomly dole out capital", no, but Cornwall is one of the most deprived regions of the EU, and so got development funds from funding mechanisms earmarked for under-developed regions. Notably, it was/is this underdeveloped because pre-EU British government had not bothered to invest much in Cornwall. In terms of payments, the UK is a net contributor overall, but part of the issue is that the UK could have funnelled money into regional development whenever it wanted to, but hasn't, so for Cornwall to think that the government will prioritise them now is quite comical, given that the government will have to prepare for extensive reductions in treasury income that's likely to make the EU contributions seem cheap. This has been a recurring theme: The wishful thinking that a post-Brexit UK government will suddenly change priorities and allocate lots of money to things they have been mercilessly cutting so far, even in the face of massive economic uncertainty. Many of the areas voting Leave will be in the same boat as Cornwall of having substantial EU funding stripped, while facing an uphill battle to convince the UK government to replace it.

wool_gather 10y ago

It's a fair point, but it wouldn't take _millions_ of them to change the result. "Leave" won by about 1.3 million votes (about 4% of the approximately 35 million votes cast). So if there's 700k people who voted "Leave" but wouldn't have if they knew it would win... I'd like to think that's still too many, but I don't know.