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And that the "Leave" campaign seriously did not expect to win and had literally no plan for winning. They certainly didn't expect Cameron to go "you know what,

And that the "Leave" campaign seriously did not expect to win and had literally no plan for winning. They certainly didn't expect Cameron to go "you know what, bugger this." Hence Johnson and Gove's faces on Friday morning.

TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
That's the ultimate crime here. This was really all about the personal ambitions of Cameron, Johnson, and Gove. They were using the vote to gain control over the government. It's doubtful if they're even particularly Eurosceptic. What they've actually done is broken apart the UK, destabilised Europe, and rocked the world economy. All for personal gain - and now they've won it, it has turned into something they really don't want to deal with. Honestly, they should be imprisoned for this for the rest of their natural lives. The most applicable crime is treason. Because if this isn't repaired, the UK will literally be over - politically, economically, socially, and culturally. The absolute best that can happen here is that the EU reconsiders some of its neoliberal arrogance and becomes more accountable, the UK has a referendum or election with an honest promise of a new relationship, and somehow everyone moves on, with some new and more reasonable faces in charge. The absolute worst doesn't bear thinking about, so I really hope we don't end up there instead.
- peterclary 10y ago
  I assume you're being down voted for suggesting that recklessly risking the well-being and rights of pretty much everyone in the country, and tanking the economy, in pursuit of personal gain, and telling lie after lie to do it, is treasonous. The fact that this aspect isn't being touched on by most MPs, and all sides are pressing on with "the people have spoken", even though it's clear that many of the people were completely deceived, suggests that the MPs don't regard outright lying as a big deal. After all, if politicians were held to their word by anything more than an occasional general election (mostly decided by identity politics) then where would they be?
dingaling 10y ago
> They certainly didn't expect Cameron to go "you know what, bugger this." The Queen can technically refuse his resignation. It would be quite encouraging if she did so, and told him to get on with running the country with the mandate he has been given by the people.
- wool_gather 10y ago
  What is she going to do? Force him at gunpoint to reluctantly preside over the most important, unprecedentedly delicate and intricate, utterly thankless, administrative and diplomatic process of the decade? That sounds like a recipe for success. It's going to be difficult enough for someone who actually thinks it's a good idea to get it right. --- P.M.: Your Majesty, please accept my resignation from office. H.M.: I'm sorry, Mr. Cameron, I cannot accept it at this time. Please get on with your responsibilities to the Commonwealth. P.M.: ... Respectfully, Ma'am, I'd rather you just locked me in the Tower. I'll be on the beach in Torremolinos if you want me.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > The Queen can technically refuse his resignation. It would be quite encouraging if she did so, Yes, because what Britain needs is the Queen triggering a constitutional crisis to force a leader who doesn't even believe in the Brexit to, against his will, negotiate the terms for it. Because that would make the situation better.

TheOtherHobbes 10y ago

That's the ultimate crime here. This was really all about the personal ambitions of Cameron, Johnson, and Gove. They were using the vote to gain control over the government. It's doubtful if they're even particularly Eurosceptic. What they've actually done is broken apart the UK, destabilised Europe, and rocked the world economy. All for personal gain - and now they've won it, it has turned into something they really don't want to deal with. Honestly, they should be imprisoned for this for the rest of their natural lives. The most applicable crime is treason. Because if this isn't repaired, the UK will literally be over - politically, economically, socially, and culturally. The absolute best that can happen here is that the EU reconsiders some of its neoliberal arrogance and becomes more accountable, the UK has a referendum or election with an honest promise of a new relationship, and somehow everyone moves on, with some new and more reasonable faces in charge. The absolute worst doesn't bear thinking about, so I really hope we don't end up there instead.

peterclary 10y ago
I assume you're being down voted for suggesting that recklessly risking the well-being and rights of pretty much everyone in the country, and tanking the economy, in pursuit of personal gain, and telling lie after lie to do it, is treasonous. The fact that this aspect isn't being touched on by most MPs, and all sides are pressing on with "the people have spoken", even though it's clear that many of the people were completely deceived, suggests that the MPs don't regard outright lying as a big deal. After all, if politicians were held to their word by anything more than an occasional general election (mostly decided by identity politics) then where would they be?

dingaling 10y ago

> They certainly didn't expect Cameron to go "you know what, bugger this." The Queen can technically refuse his resignation. It would be quite encouraging if she did so, and told him to get on with running the country with the mandate he has been given by the people.

wool_gather 10y ago
What is she going to do? Force him at gunpoint to reluctantly preside over the most important, unprecedentedly delicate and intricate, utterly thankless, administrative and diplomatic process of the decade? That sounds like a recipe for success. It's going to be difficult enough for someone who actually thinks it's a good idea to get it right. --- P.M.: Your Majesty, please accept my resignation from office. H.M.: I'm sorry, Mr. Cameron, I cannot accept it at this time. Please get on with your responsibilities to the Commonwealth. P.M.: ... Respectfully, Ma'am, I'd rather you just locked me in the Tower. I'll be on the beach in Torremolinos if you want me.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> The Queen can technically refuse his resignation. It would be quite encouraging if she did so, Yes, because what Britain needs is the Queen triggering a constitutional crisis to force a leader who doesn't even believe in the Brexit to, against his will, negotiate the terms for it. Because that would make the situation better.