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That's true, but I would also add that in Europe you have a work culture against long work days/week, and it very rare to be asked to work more than 38/40h/w...
by yulaow 10y ago
That's true, but I would also add that in Europe you have a work culture against long work days/week, and it very rare to be asked to work more than 38/40h/w... and if you are asked to typically you are well compensated (1.5x/2x your normal wage x hour). Also vacation days are typically at least 5/6 weeks.
I mean, yes the market need to improve wages, but considering also the different work culture they are not _that_ low compared to the us ones.
- CM30 10y agoThat's a good point, though I wonder if it points to a mindset difference between tech/startup folks in the US and those in Europe. People who work for US startups seem to be very driven to succeed, regardless of the costs. It's seen as encouraged to constantly work, regardless if if the stress might cause you to keel over before you're thirty. In Europe, there still seems to be an 'eight hours a day is fine' mentality, even in startups and small businesses. The idea that having a family and life and other activities is as important as becoming rich. Maybe the mindset differences can be summed up as 'work yourself to death now but hope to retire early' or 'work less hours but work for more of your life'.
- uola 10y agoYes, if you factor in things like student loans, vacation, housing costs, working conditions, transportation etc. you'll make about the same in northen europe as in SV. Not including more management level positions at large tech companies.