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> What's hostile about the title? It's a direct attack on a particular gender and race. 1960 was 56 years ago. It has no relevance on people studying the fiel

> What's hostile about the title? It's a direct attack on a particular gender and race. 1960 was 56 years ago. It has no relevance on people studying the field today.

spraak 10y ago
But explain how it's an attack. I wager that /you/ feel attacked. Saying that a distance in the past has no relevance on people studying the field today is ridiculous. You're saying "the past has no relevance". Especially considering scale, 56 years is not a long time for things to change. There's ample examples of how what was so socially and politically that affected black people 56 years ago continues to exist today.
- exstudent2 10y ago
  It says that there's a problem and it lays it at the feet of white men. If that's not an attack, I don't know what is. EDIT: Since I can't reply anymore, I'll just add my comment here. I (and most people) are in no way responsible for the lack of women in AI. If you personally feel responsible because you know you've been sexist/racist, great, make amends and don't do it anymore. Tossing blame at people you don't know and saying they're responsible for your actions is not the correct course. Blaming white men is racist and sexist so you can take this opportunity to learn and hopefully stop making generalizations about people regardless of their gender or race.
  - spraak 10y ago
    If someone has done an action, we can say that they're responsible for that action. There's no attack in identifying responsibility or ownership, but as I explained above, I myself have often interpreted this as an attack on me, when for example, someone was pointing out to me how I was being racist.
  - spraak 10y ago
    It's not blame or racist when it's true, so you're just being defensive. If you're "neutral" (think that you're not part of the problem) then you're still supporting and benefitting from the system that IS racist. You're complicit in your lack of action.

> What's hostile about the title? It's a direct attack on a particular gender and race. 1960 was 56 years ago. It has no relevance on people studying the field today.

spraak 10y ago

But explain how it's an attack. I wager that /you/ feel attacked. Saying that a distance in the past has no relevance on people studying the field today is ridiculous. You're saying "the past has no relevance". Especially considering scale, 56 years is not a long time for things to change. There's ample examples of how what was so socially and politically that affected black people 56 years ago continues to exist today.

exstudent2 10y ago
It says that there's a problem and it lays it at the feet of white men. If that's not an attack, I don't know what is. EDIT: Since I can't reply anymore, I'll just add my comment here. I (and most people) are in no way responsible for the lack of women in AI. If you personally feel responsible because you know you've been sexist/racist, great, make amends and don't do it anymore. Tossing blame at people you don't know and saying they're responsible for your actions is not the correct course. Blaming white men is racist and sexist so you can take this opportunity to learn and hopefully stop making generalizations about people regardless of their gender or race.
- spraak 10y ago
  If someone has done an action, we can say that they're responsible for that action. There's no attack in identifying responsibility or ownership, but as I explained above, I myself have often interpreted this as an attack on me, when for example, someone was pointing out to me how I was being racist.
- spraak 10y ago
  It's not blame or racist when it's true, so you're just being defensive. If you're "neutral" (think that you're not part of the problem) then you're still supporting and benefitting from the system that IS racist. You're complicit in your lack of action.