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What I refer to is a certain, observable feature of the american culture. The only breach of civility here is you calling me uncivil. But this sort of moderat

by gkya 10y ago

What I refer to is a certain, observable feature of the american culture. The only breach of civility here is you calling me uncivil. But this sort of moderation is something I've seen often on the HN, so there's nothing to say.

dang 10y ago
You didn't just 'refer' to an 'observable'. You combined three pejoratives in as many words ('your american isms') with a boorish gesture ('keep your X to yourselves'). It's common for people to behave rudely like this and, when asked not to, pretend they were merely stating neutral facts. Perhaps you genuinely think so; in that case the answer is to develop a more accurate sense of what the HN guidelines mean when they talk about being civil. If you continue to break them as you repeatedly have in the past, we're going to conclude that you don't want to use HN as intended and ban your account. It's not hard to learn what the standard here is and keep to it. Many users have had to do so (myself included). The only question is whether one wants to.
- gkya 10y ago
  I am sorry, I disagree. I don't see any pejoratives there, and in fact you're the one using them: nasty and boorish are the words you used and you implied that I'm uneducated, uncivil, and a liar. Do whatever you want with my account.
  - dang 10y ago
    I did use the words 'nasty' and 'boorish' and probably could have avoided them. I certainly did not mean to imply anything about you personally, nor do I think those things. Why did I call those three words pejoratives? Because that's how they work in the context where you used them: "isms" is obviously a pejorative, "American" bound to it becomes a national slight, and "your" a personal one. Perhaps you didn't intend them that way, but I assure you that for many readers they would acquire that connotation en route. I don't have any desire to ban you, but I do wish you'd take on good faith what I'm trying to explain about how HN conversations are supposed to operate. It all comes from long hard experience trying to prevent an internet forum from degenerating. You clearly have some interesting things to say, so if you'd join us in the work of erring on the side of civility, HN would be better.

by gkya 10y ago

dang 10y ago

You didn't just 'refer' to an 'observable'. You combined three pejoratives in as many words ('your american isms') with a boorish gesture ('keep your X to yourselves'). It's common for people to behave rudely like this and, when asked not to, pretend they were merely stating neutral facts. Perhaps you genuinely think so; in that case the answer is to develop a more accurate sense of what the HN guidelines mean when they talk about being civil. If you continue to break them as you repeatedly have in the past, we're going to conclude that you don't want to use HN as intended and ban your account. It's not hard to learn what the standard here is and keep to it. Many users have had to do so (myself included). The only question is whether one wants to.

gkya 10y ago
I am sorry, I disagree. I don't see any pejoratives there, and in fact you're the one using them: nasty and boorish are the words you used and you implied that I'm uneducated, uncivil, and a liar. Do whatever you want with my account.
- dang 10y ago
  I did use the words 'nasty' and 'boorish' and probably could have avoided them. I certainly did not mean to imply anything about you personally, nor do I think those things. Why did I call those three words pejoratives? Because that's how they work in the context where you used them: "isms" is obviously a pejorative, "American" bound to it becomes a national slight, and "your" a personal one. Perhaps you didn't intend them that way, but I assure you that for many readers they would acquire that connotation en route. I don't have any desire to ban you, but I do wish you'd take on good faith what I'm trying to explain about how HN conversations are supposed to operate. It all comes from long hard experience trying to prevent an internet forum from degenerating. You clearly have some interesting things to say, so if you'd join us in the work of erring on the side of civility, HN would be better.