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"P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distributi

by UK-AL 10y ago

"P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distribution rights show :<" This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Most likely we will move to the EEA so we wont lose access to the market. I'm actually pro free movement. One benefits from this, is that immigration from outside of the EU may actually become easier.

dogma1138 10y ago
>This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Amazon only delivers books and a limited number of other items to those countries. Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty. P.S. Immigrating from outside of the EU if you are a high skilled worker is already incredibly easy getting a Tier 2 sponsorship from a british company is a joke, it costs about 600 GBP for the company and its usually completed under 6 weeks.
- UK-AL 10y ago
  "Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty" That's not the same as having trade deals outside of the EU. Which is what were going to do. We also have standard wto options. If immigration is that easy outside of EU, what's the issue?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    WTO doesn't help you in this regard, western goods in WTO countries are very expensive, western goods in WTO countries that have free trade agreements with the EU and the US are still considerably more expensive than they are now in the US or the shared EU market. Try ordering something from Amazon or Ebay to Iceland, or Israel, or HK or Australia, Japan, or you know even Russia all have pretty damn good trade deals but all are pretty damn fucked on imports. You are really betting on many things the EU has a strong incentive to give the UK the worse deal possible and that's honestly what they must do in order to prevent a domino effect, infact the EU can drag their feet for 2 years and force the UK to leave without any agreement once Article 50 has been initiated. I see you've never lived in a western, modern country that has free trade agreements but is not the EU/US(NA/CA) and you have no idea just how considerably shittier (and expensive) it is when it comes to western goods, media and services.
    - UK-AL 10y ago
      Since the german prime minister has already came out and said the uk should not punished for this, probably because she has a massive incentive to sell to the uk. I don't think any spiteful deals will be made.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        We'll have to wait and see :) The UK won't be punished now, but from what is coming out of the EC is pretty clear any trade agreement will mean pretty much the standard EEA like deal which means the BrExit is a moot point. The agreement will not be "spiteful" but it would most likely be something that the UK leavers would not want and if the UK doesn't take it well then it would just screw it self all over. While Merkel wants to keep the UK as an accessible market she needs to keep the EU from collapsing even more. Not to mention that her statement was more meant to calm down free falling global markets than to give the UK any real assurances. I don't think you really have a good grasp on how diplomacy and negotiations work on these levels. Also let's stop calling the UK the UK, It's Britain now It's pretty clear that Scotland in the least would split and probably remain in the EU and that Ireland would either seek a reunification or a deal on it's own.

by UK-AL 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago

>This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Amazon only delivers books and a limited number of other items to those countries. Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty. P.S. Immigrating from outside of the EU if you are a high skilled worker is already incredibly easy getting a Tier 2 sponsorship from a british company is a joke, it costs about 600 GBP for the company and its usually completed under 6 weeks.

UK-AL 10y ago
"Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty" That's not the same as having trade deals outside of the EU. Which is what were going to do. We also have standard wto options. If immigration is that easy outside of EU, what's the issue?
- dogma1138 10y ago
  WTO doesn't help you in this regard, western goods in WTO countries are very expensive, western goods in WTO countries that have free trade agreements with the EU and the US are still considerably more expensive than they are now in the US or the shared EU market. Try ordering something from Amazon or Ebay to Iceland, or Israel, or HK or Australia, Japan, or you know even Russia all have pretty damn good trade deals but all are pretty damn fucked on imports. You are really betting on many things the EU has a strong incentive to give the UK the worse deal possible and that's honestly what they must do in order to prevent a domino effect, infact the EU can drag their feet for 2 years and force the UK to leave without any agreement once Article 50 has been initiated. I see you've never lived in a western, modern country that has free trade agreements but is not the EU/US(NA/CA) and you have no idea just how considerably shittier (and expensive) it is when it comes to western goods, media and services.
  - UK-AL 10y ago
    Since the german prime minister has already came out and said the uk should not punished for this, probably because she has a massive incentive to sell to the uk. I don't think any spiteful deals will be made.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      We'll have to wait and see :) The UK won't be punished now, but from what is coming out of the EC is pretty clear any trade agreement will mean pretty much the standard EEA like deal which means the BrExit is a moot point. The agreement will not be "spiteful" but it would most likely be something that the UK leavers would not want and if the UK doesn't take it well then it would just screw it self all over. While Merkel wants to keep the UK as an accessible market she needs to keep the EU from collapsing even more. Not to mention that her statement was more meant to calm down free falling global markets than to give the UK any real assurances. I don't think you really have a good grasp on how diplomacy and negotiations work on these levels. Also let's stop calling the UK the UK, It's Britain now It's pretty clear that Scotland in the least would split and probably remain in the EU and that Ireland would either seek a reunification or a deal on it's own.