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Housing market has been overheating for years. It needs to go down. I don't particularly care if it has a short term impact. Everybody knew that. I care about

by UK-AL 10y ago

Housing market has been overheating for years. It needs to go down. I don't particularly care if it has a short term impact. Everybody knew that. I care about 10/20 years in the future. "Not to mention is that the BrExit put the fringe on the political map, the UK public policy is already horrible, this is a country that has lost respect to freedom of the press, freedom of speech, a country where punitive imprisonment of upto 7 years can be cast on being unwilling on giving up your password or encryption keys to law enforcement even if you are not charged with any other crime and one of the front runners for to become the new PM - Theresa May supports mandatory internet censorship (sorry "obscenity filter") as well as warrantless access to your entire Internet browsing history." And sticking with an organisation that repeatily ballots a country until it gets the 'right' answer is a good thing? I don't think EU is exactly great for civil liberties

dogma1138 10y ago
There is no clear indication that in 10-20 years anything would be better, but there are more or less clear indications that it would take at least 10 years for the UK to get back to pre BrExit levels if those would be ever achievable without a deal similar to what Norway has which almost makes the BrExit a moot point. I Live in the UK under a Tier 1 Visa (exceptional talent) now also with high earners exemption the BrExit doesn't affect my status but I am already planning my leave, losing access to the shared EU market and the overall notions of the politics that drove this entire debate are just disgusting, and I am a conservative, I believe in strong defense, deterrence, a free market economy, and immigration control but the UK would get nothing it didn't had before by leaving the EU and it would only remain weaker both politically and economically for decades to come. I'm happy for you that you "got your country back" but I really don't think you understand the implications of this at all. P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distribution rights show :<
- UK-AL 10y ago
  "P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distribution rights show :<" This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Most likely we will move to the EEA so we wont lose access to the market. I'm actually pro free movement. One benefits from this, is that immigration from outside of the EU may actually become easier.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    >This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Amazon only delivers books and a limited number of other items to those countries. Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty. P.S. Immigrating from outside of the EU if you are a high skilled worker is already incredibly easy getting a Tier 2 sponsorship from a british company is a joke, it costs about 600 GBP for the company and its usually completed under 6 weeks.
    - UK-AL 10y ago
      "Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty" That's not the same as having trade deals outside of the EU. Which is what were going to do. We also have standard wto options. If immigration is that easy outside of EU, what's the issue?
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        WTO doesn't help you in this regard, western goods in WTO countries are very expensive, western goods in WTO countries that have free trade agreements with the EU and the US are still considerably more expensive than they are now in the US or the shared EU market. Try ordering something from Amazon or Ebay to Iceland, or Israel, or HK or Australia, Japan, or you know even Russia all have pretty damn good trade deals but all are pretty damn fucked on imports. You are really betting on many things the EU has a strong incentive to give the UK the worse deal possible and that's honestly what they must do in order to prevent a domino effect, infact the EU can drag their feet for 2 years and force the UK to leave without any agreement once Article 50 has been initiated. I see you've never lived in a western, modern country that has free trade agreements but is not the EU/US(NA/CA) and you have no idea just how considerably shittier (and expensive) it is when it comes to western goods, media and services.

by UK-AL 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago

There is no clear indication that in 10-20 years anything would be better, but there are more or less clear indications that it would take at least 10 years for the UK to get back to pre BrExit levels if those would be ever achievable without a deal similar to what Norway has which almost makes the BrExit a moot point. I Live in the UK under a Tier 1 Visa (exceptional talent) now also with high earners exemption the BrExit doesn't affect my status but I am already planning my leave, losing access to the shared EU market and the overall notions of the politics that drove this entire debate are just disgusting, and I am a conservative, I believe in strong defense, deterrence, a free market economy, and immigration control but the UK would get nothing it didn't had before by leaving the EU and it would only remain weaker both politically and economically for decades to come. I'm happy for you that you "got your country back" but I really don't think you understand the implications of this at all. P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distribution rights show :<

UK-AL 10y ago
"P.S. I wonder how everyone would react to the BrExit after Amazon cuts about 70% of the products on Amazon.co.uk and Netflix cuts all those European distribution rights show :<" This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Most likely we will move to the EEA so we wont lose access to the market. I'm actually pro free movement. One benefits from this, is that immigration from outside of the EU may actually become easier.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  >This is completely silly. There many countries outside the EU with the full range of Western goods and media? What makes you think we can't get that? Amazon only delivers books and a limited number of other items to those countries. Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty. P.S. Immigrating from outside of the EU if you are a high skilled worker is already incredibly easy getting a Tier 2 sponsorship from a british company is a joke, it costs about 600 GBP for the company and its usually completed under 6 weeks.
  - UK-AL 10y ago
    "Try ordering things from Amazon.com about 90% of the tangible goods do no ship to the UK and the 10% that do incur an import duty" That's not the same as having trade deals outside of the EU. Which is what were going to do. We also have standard wto options. If immigration is that easy outside of EU, what's the issue?
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      WTO doesn't help you in this regard, western goods in WTO countries are very expensive, western goods in WTO countries that have free trade agreements with the EU and the US are still considerably more expensive than they are now in the US or the shared EU market. Try ordering something from Amazon or Ebay to Iceland, or Israel, or HK or Australia, Japan, or you know even Russia all have pretty damn good trade deals but all are pretty damn fucked on imports. You are really betting on many things the EU has a strong incentive to give the UK the worse deal possible and that's honestly what they must do in order to prevent a domino effect, infact the EU can drag their feet for 2 years and force the UK to leave without any agreement once Article 50 has been initiated. I see you've never lived in a western, modern country that has free trade agreements but is not the EU/US(NA/CA) and you have no idea just how considerably shittier (and expensive) it is when it comes to western goods, media and services.