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So the people who created the field are nothing more than "a sea of dudes". What an ignorant and sexist viewpoint. Bloomberg and Microsoft should be ashamed. W

So the people who created the field are nothing more than "a sea of dudes". What an ignorant and sexist viewpoint. Bloomberg and Microsoft should be ashamed. We need to stop being ok with racism and sexism against anyone. White males included.

yoo1I 10y ago
And as part of that fight against racism and sexism we need to make sure that the AI's we create aren't biased from being created and trained mostly by one particular subset, the referenced "sea of dudes", because that's a pretty good way to perpetuate racism and sexism by our software. I don't see what's so hard about that. And really, as a dude, to be offended because she said "sea of dudes" to mean that the field, which will probably impact the global society in a huge way, is dominated by men, and not as you imply diminish their contribution, is pretty thin skinned.
- exstudent2 10y ago
  You can't fight sexism and racism by being sexist and racist. It's also not sexist or racist to use the data provided by participants.
  - yoo1I 10y ago
    Except there is no sexism or racism against white men (which I am assuming you mean, please correct me if I am wrong) to be found in this article. Sexism or racism are societally useful concepts if you include the power dynamics. Without them all that's left is that someone wasn't very nice to you, which really as a grown up you should be able to deal with. The power dynamic here is that the software of future is created by a majority of white men, who, overall, were the first and last group who were and remain globally in charge. So to say "uff so many men!" in an office 75% full of white men, is completely different than saying "uff so many black women!" in that same office. Not necessarily because of the numerical, but because of the powerbalance. To point that out, does in no way mean that each individual man in that office is a terribly racist sexist! It just means that there are biases in the whole setup. In the same vein it's not "sexist or racist to use the data provided by the participants",but if you're not careful and you let the biases in your reading of the data, that were shaped by your experience as a human on this planet, affect the way your AI is trained (and it's almost impossible to be unbiased in that sense), then the outcome of what you're trying to do might well be.
    - prodigal_erik 10y ago
      You would never think to say "uff so many right-handed people!" because being right-handed doesn't makes you pre-judge them as flawed and less capable.

yoo1I 10y ago

And as part of that fight against racism and sexism we need to make sure that the AI's we create aren't biased from being created and trained mostly by one particular subset, the referenced "sea of dudes", because that's a pretty good way to perpetuate racism and sexism by our software. I don't see what's so hard about that. And really, as a dude, to be offended because she said "sea of dudes" to mean that the field, which will probably impact the global society in a huge way, is dominated by men, and not as you imply diminish their contribution, is pretty thin skinned.

exstudent2 10y ago
You can't fight sexism and racism by being sexist and racist. It's also not sexist or racist to use the data provided by participants.
- yoo1I 10y ago
  Except there is no sexism or racism against white men (which I am assuming you mean, please correct me if I am wrong) to be found in this article. Sexism or racism are societally useful concepts if you include the power dynamics. Without them all that's left is that someone wasn't very nice to you, which really as a grown up you should be able to deal with. The power dynamic here is that the software of future is created by a majority of white men, who, overall, were the first and last group who were and remain globally in charge. So to say "uff so many men!" in an office 75% full of white men, is completely different than saying "uff so many black women!" in that same office. Not necessarily because of the numerical, but because of the powerbalance. To point that out, does in no way mean that each individual man in that office is a terribly racist sexist! It just means that there are biases in the whole setup. In the same vein it's not "sexist or racist to use the data provided by the participants",but if you're not careful and you let the biases in your reading of the data, that were shaped by your experience as a human on this planet, affect the way your AI is trained (and it's almost impossible to be unbiased in that sense), then the outcome of what you're trying to do might well be.
  - prodigal_erik 10y ago
    You would never think to say "uff so many right-handed people!" because being right-handed doesn't makes you pre-judge them as flawed and less capable.