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So are the Swiss. Turns out that they are so successful outside the EU that even Swiss garbage men earn more than most citizens of EU member states could ever d

So are the Swiss. Turns out that they are so successful outside the EU that even Swiss garbage men earn more than most citizens of EU member states could ever dream of.

Pamar 10y ago
Is this adjusted with the cost of living in Switzerland ?
- temp 10y ago
  No, they're talking in nominal terms. Your salary will be twice as high in Zurich as it would be in say Munich, but you will also pay about twice as much for most things, be it groceries or rent.
  - Pamar 10y ago
    My point exactly.
    - DominikR 10y ago
      Well of course the cost of living will be higher when the incomes are double or in most cases even triple the incomes of other EU member states. How does that invalidate what I wrote? Are you proposing that the Swiss would be better off with a Somali income and cost of living?
      - Pamar 10y ago
        Try rewriting this as "garbagemen in country X, after taxes and all expenses including rent etc, have 10% of their income left, while white collars from country Z barely manage to save 1% of their earnings over the same period". Is this still true when X=Switzerland and Z another random country in UE?
        DominikR 10y ago
        I just don't get what point you are trying to make here. Statistics and Polls consistently show again and again that Switzerland is one of the safest, richest, most democratic and yes - even happy countries in the world. And maybe you can't see it, but stuff that the Swiss import is for them very cheap in comparison to all others. Just imagine how less it'd hurt you financially to pay for an iPhone when you have an income that is much higher than in every surrounding country. Or how about going on vacations. That's very cheap for Swiss too, because for them basically every country they could go to is insanely cheap. Edit: And the funny thing is, they are not in the EU, every male has a automatic assault rifle at home, they have free speech, regular referenda on important matters and the majority there is against any kind of Socialism.
BjoernKW 10y ago
In either case there are very specific reasons for their respective success: Oil and foreign money, respectively. None of that is down to them not being part of the EU The UK isn't even remotely comparable to either of those countries. Besides, both Switzerland and Norway have trade agreements with the EU. If the UK wants similar agreements it'll have to accept similar conditions including freedom of movement, which in turn will make this whole Brexit affair rather pointless: The UK will effectively have to accept the same conditions it has right now without any ability to influence or veto EU regulations anymore.

So are the Swiss. Turns out that they are so successful outside the EU that even Swiss garbage men earn more than most citizens of EU member states could ever dream of.

Pamar 10y ago

Is this adjusted with the cost of living in Switzerland ?

temp 10y ago
No, they're talking in nominal terms. Your salary will be twice as high in Zurich as it would be in say Munich, but you will also pay about twice as much for most things, be it groceries or rent.
- Pamar 10y ago
  My point exactly.
  - DominikR 10y ago
    Well of course the cost of living will be higher when the incomes are double or in most cases even triple the incomes of other EU member states. How does that invalidate what I wrote? Are you proposing that the Swiss would be better off with a Somali income and cost of living?
    - Pamar 10y ago
      Try rewriting this as "garbagemen in country X, after taxes and all expenses including rent etc, have 10% of their income left, while white collars from country Z barely manage to save 1% of their earnings over the same period". Is this still true when X=Switzerland and Z another random country in UE?
      - DominikR 10y ago
        I just don't get what point you are trying to make here. Statistics and Polls consistently show again and again that Switzerland is one of the safest, richest, most democratic and yes - even happy countries in the world. And maybe you can't see it, but stuff that the Swiss import is for them very cheap in comparison to all others. Just imagine how less it'd hurt you financially to pay for an iPhone when you have an income that is much higher than in every surrounding country. Or how about going on vacations. That's very cheap for Swiss too, because for them basically every country they could go to is insanely cheap. Edit: And the funny thing is, they are not in the EU, every male has a automatic assault rifle at home, they have free speech, regular referenda on important matters and the majority there is against any kind of Socialism.

BjoernKW 10y ago

In either case there are very specific reasons for their respective success: Oil and foreign money, respectively. None of that is down to them not being part of the EU The UK isn't even remotely comparable to either of those countries. Besides, both Switzerland and Norway have trade agreements with the EU. If the UK wants similar agreements it'll have to accept similar conditions including freedom of movement, which in turn will make this whole Brexit affair rather pointless: The UK will effectively have to accept the same conditions it has right now without any ability to influence or veto EU regulations anymore.