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> They can give up on the idea of recruiting people from major hubs (SV/London/NYC) then. From the SV and NYC, you're probably right. From a company's point of

> They can give up on the idea of recruiting people from major hubs (SV/London/NYC) then. From the SV and NYC, you're probably right. From a company's point of view, why would you even try? In Berlin you can easily hire people from all over Europe and nearby countries without much immigration hassle. As for London, I don't agree, it's very easy. London salaries aren't that great on average, not every software developer works at a hedge fund.

kafkaesq 10y ago
In Berlin you can easily hire people from all over Europe and nearby countries without much immigration hassle. Well a few lines up from here someone was claiming the exact opposite -- "there's a huge lack of talent." (Which would seem to imply both local talent, and talent that can be drawn from outside).
- hocuspocus 10y ago
  Again, look at the competition. Is it any easier for other cities? - London: higher salaries, much higher CoL => lower disposable income - Dublin: barely higher salaries, higher CoL - Amsterdam: similar/lower salaries, higher CoL - Paris: lower salaries, higher CoL - Stockholm, Helsinki: lower salaries, higher CoL (and crazy housing situation in Stockholm) - Southern/Eastern Europe, Baltics: low CoL but the salaries are bad You want to make good money? This leaves Oslo and Copenhagen where your overall purchasing power isn't going to be that much higher. The true outliers are Luxembourg and Switzerland where the tech ecosystem sadly isn't very exciting (why do you think a Swiss would take a job in Berlin? :) I don't think Europe will ever be able to create a tech hub similar to the SV. And without a high concentration of talent, salaries can't go that much higher. London might get somewhere closer to NYC, but right now there's a very significant gap between finance and the rest. And Brexit will certainly not help.
  - NetStrikeForce 10y ago
    You're missing places like Reading, where the salaries are London-ish (as you can just take a 25 minutes train to London for work), but the housing is cheaper. I pay for a decently sized house as much as I would pay for a tiny studio in London (and probably not in Zone 1) Still probably more expensive than Berlin though :)

kafkaesq 10y ago

In Berlin you can easily hire people from all over Europe and nearby countries without much immigration hassle. Well a few lines up from here someone was claiming the exact opposite -- "there's a huge lack of talent." (Which would seem to imply both local talent, and talent that can be drawn from outside).

hocuspocus 10y ago
Again, look at the competition. Is it any easier for other cities? - London: higher salaries, much higher CoL => lower disposable income - Dublin: barely higher salaries, higher CoL - Amsterdam: similar/lower salaries, higher CoL - Paris: lower salaries, higher CoL - Stockholm, Helsinki: lower salaries, higher CoL (and crazy housing situation in Stockholm) - Southern/Eastern Europe, Baltics: low CoL but the salaries are bad You want to make good money? This leaves Oslo and Copenhagen where your overall purchasing power isn't going to be that much higher. The true outliers are Luxembourg and Switzerland where the tech ecosystem sadly isn't very exciting (why do you think a Swiss would take a job in Berlin? :) I don't think Europe will ever be able to create a tech hub similar to the SV. And without a high concentration of talent, salaries can't go that much higher. London might get somewhere closer to NYC, but right now there's a very significant gap between finance and the rest. And Brexit will certainly not help.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  You're missing places like Reading, where the salaries are London-ish (as you can just take a 25 minutes train to London for work), but the housing is cheaper. I pay for a decently sized house as much as I would pay for a tiny studio in London (and probably not in Zone 1) Still probably more expensive than Berlin though :)