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We socialize certain types of goods in the United States - roads, police, schools and mostly (though not always) the fire department. Other goods, like healthc
by ghshephard 10y ago
We socialize certain types of goods in the United States - roads, police, schools and mostly (though not always) the fire department. Other goods, like healthcare, while not socialized in the United States, are regulated (in many other countries of course, health care is in the same column as police/roads/schools).
Singapore is an interesting example of a country where they've mostly socialized housing to great success.
You can still buy property if you are very wealthy, but 80%+ of the population lives in a government (heavily) subsidized "HDB" - Housing Development Block - basically massive apartment blocks, that the government builds by the 10s of thousands. You then get a "99 year lease" to the property, though, by the time the property starts to get around 40-50 years old (HDBs have only been around that long) - the government will usually build much nicer, newer buildings, and give the occupants of the old building first right of refusal of (collectively) moving out of the old one and signing a new 99 year lease (Known as Selective Enbloc Redevelopment Scheme) - it remains to be seen if there will be any leases that ever expire.
As a result, property is affordable to all citizens, though if you are less well off, there is a good chance you will be living with other family members sharing rent - Singapore is a much more family oriented country, so this is normal and accepted. Also, if you are price sensitive, you might chose to live in a somewhat more distant property (known as New Estate, as compared to Mature Estate that has lots of shops, transit, built up around it).
And, then if you strike it rich - and don't like the HDB lifestyle, you can go buy a Condo (has lawn, pool, security, gym, usually nicer architecture) for 2x what a similar HDB would have cost you.
Singapore is a fabulously expensive country for expats to live in - but they've done a great job (amazing job) of keeping it very affordable for citizens. Transportation, Food, Housing, Healthcare Insurance - all of the essentials have had a lot of work put into them to keep everything cheap, cheap for the citizenry.
- youngButEager 10y agoThis "socialized apartments" would not work easily in the U.S. In California, the highest tax bracket is 13.3% and it's 39.6% as the highest Federal income tax bracket, for a total of: 13.3% + 39.6% = 52.9% The top income tax bracket in California (combined) is nearly 53%. Could California build socialized apartments to satisfy demand? I.e. are taxes high enough to provide the funds to do so? The highest tax bracket in Singapore is 20%. (See https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Individuals/Locals/Working-Out-Your-Taxes/Income-Tax-Rates/ https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Individuals/Locals/Working-...) Singapore is able to socialize apartments by taking only 20% of their citizens' money. If you think about it, their 20% top bracket: - pays for all their roads, schools, bridges, etc. AND - pays for huge apartment communities There is absolutely no way our state will ever be efficient enough to socialize housing. We're taxed at almost 3X what Singapore is and we cannot even manage paying for all our roads, schools, bridges, etc.
- ghshephard 10y agoFair point about taxes - but, to be clear, I'm sure the HDBs are sold at a profit compared to the cost of building them - but there is no land speculation (they are 99 year leases), and housing speculation has a zillion dials to reduce it from happening with HDBs (you have to live in them for a while before you can sell them, you have to pay extra taxes if you are not a citizen) And all this came about because in the 1950s, the housing situation in Singapore was abysmal, possibly one of the worst in the world. Government decided to take a leadership role in ensuring that their citizens had housing.