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No, I doubt most people find this to be true. I generally find clean private apartments in good areas, cheaper than hotels, sometimes cheaper than hostels too.

by sambe 10y ago

No, I doubt most people find this to be true. I generally find clean private apartments in good areas, cheaper than hotels, sometimes cheaper than hostels too. Used to be more availability of single rooms for even cheaper too. Seems like prices have gone up over the last couple of years, but certainly not a surfeit of low quality expensive places.

EugeneOZ 10y ago
If you want to call me a liar, I can find apart-hotel in Barcelona for you (4 stars, good reviews on Booking), and comparable set of rooms on Airbnb. And after that you will bring apologizes. Deal?
- dang 10y ago
  Please don't escalate like this. People can (and do, and need to) disagree without calling each other a liar. One main purpose of discussion here is to share different experiences.
  - EugeneOZ 10y ago
    Answer "I disagree" is one thing, answer "you are wrong" - is fine also. Answer "it's not true" - is calling opponent a liar. It's offensive and I see nothing wrong in my try to defend myself. Only thing I regret is typo in previous comment in this branch.
    - dang 10y ago
      You appear to have missed the key word in what I posted, which is "escalate". For example: > Answer "it's not true" - is calling opponent a liar. That's literally what it's not doing. Equating these two things is escalating, i.e. substituting one utterance for a more provocative one and replying to that instead. You may feel that the train of logic inevitably takes you there down a one-way deductive track. But there are many opportunities to get off that train, and good manners and civility demand that we do. If we don't, all disagreement ends in conflict, which is tedious (for everyone else) and destructive. I wonder if there may be a crossed cultural channel here, because the gap between "you are wrong" and "it's not true" strikes me as tiny—not the chasm that you describe—and if anything, "you are wrong" sounds slightly less polite since it's more personal. This is the kind of thing that people with different cultural and language backgrounds routinely hear differently, and the presence of many different backgrounds on HN is one reason why we all need to be charitable in our interpretations. p.s. I've fixed the typo for you.

by sambe 10y ago

EugeneOZ 10y ago

If you want to call me a liar, I can find apart-hotel in Barcelona for you (4 stars, good reviews on Booking), and comparable set of rooms on Airbnb. And after that you will bring apologizes. Deal?

dang 10y ago
Please don't escalate like this. People can (and do, and need to) disagree without calling each other a liar. One main purpose of discussion here is to share different experiences.
- EugeneOZ 10y ago
  Answer "I disagree" is one thing, answer "you are wrong" - is fine also. Answer "it's not true" - is calling opponent a liar. It's offensive and I see nothing wrong in my try to defend myself. Only thing I regret is typo in previous comment in this branch.
  - dang 10y ago
    You appear to have missed the key word in what I posted, which is "escalate". For example: > Answer "it's not true" - is calling opponent a liar. That's literally what it's not doing. Equating these two things is escalating, i.e. substituting one utterance for a more provocative one and replying to that instead. You may feel that the train of logic inevitably takes you there down a one-way deductive track. But there are many opportunities to get off that train, and good manners and civility demand that we do. If we don't, all disagreement ends in conflict, which is tedious (for everyone else) and destructive. I wonder if there may be a crossed cultural channel here, because the gap between "you are wrong" and "it's not true" strikes me as tiny—not the chasm that you describe—and if anything, "you are wrong" sounds slightly less polite since it's more personal. This is the kind of thing that people with different cultural and language backgrounds routinely hear differently, and the presence of many different backgrounds on HN is one reason why we all need to be charitable in our interpretations. p.s. I've fixed the typo for you.