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I hope that you're really happy of the outcome of your vote. You destroyed uk and global economy, even if you still Don't realise it. A nation with narrow minde

I hope that you're really happy of the outcome of your vote. You destroyed uk and global economy, even if you still Don't realise it. A nation with narrow minded people that cannot understand the simple consequences of their actions will not have the most happy outcome.

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lifeisstillgood 10y ago
I think the parent post did give reasons for his vote, rational and reasonable ones. I disagree with them mostly and voted a different way, but if one vote in one small country can destroy the global economy then it was in pretty bad shape anyway. Lehman Brothers would not have caused meltdown in a financially secure global system. We must respect our democratic outcome and turn it to the best advantage of everyone. Perhaps a more democratic Europe. It seems a goal we can get behind. Edit: ok he did not say how he voted only "friends of his".
- Normal_gaussian 10y ago
  I didn't like the tone of the reply I gave to a sister comment of lifeisstillgood's comment and have since deleted it. In it I pointed out that I had not specified whether I had voted, or who for. This is what his edit refers to and was, like the rest of the comment, an unnecessary level of pedantry. Of course I voted the same way as the friends I had been discussing this with for years.
  - lifeisstillgood 10y ago
    Rereading this again, I am still annoyed by the pedantry argument. We try to have discussions and conversations here, try to be precise to make that process clearer - and dismissing such attempts is not helping the goals. So please, don't make throw away dismissals. And be ways of assuming people of course vote the same way as their friends.
x0x0 10y ago
You realize the same people predicting the destruction of the British economy all had their fingers in the tanking of the Greek economy and/or predictions of growth that were blatant lies? See eg IMF Greek debt sustainability analyses and their continued wild exaggerations of sustainability. So there's plenty of reason to doubt such predictions or assume they are politically motivated. Recall how EU/Merkel treated Greece, a country too entangled to leave, and note Brown's decision to keep the pound sterling was prescient. That creates plenty of skepticism of the value of the EU. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16130.pdf https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16130.pdf
- all2well 10y ago
  The thing is, as a result of not being in the euro zone, the same sort of situation that Greece is in could not happen. In a way, it's really a disaster to have a monetary union without a fiscal union. However, the main benefit of the EU is the single market, both in terms of goods locally as well as leverage for negotiating trade deals with other, non-European countries. That's going to be what hits them the hardest, because they won't get such a good deal, especially outside the EU
- tigershark 10y ago
  I posted clear facts that prove behind any reasonable doubt that uk economy will plummet. You can do all the predictions that you want, but if these are not based on facts then I will label them as fantasies and wishful thinking.
UVB-76 10y ago
> I hope that you're really happy of the outcome of your vote. You destroyed uk and global economy, even if you still Don't realise it. A nation with narrow minded people that cannot understand the simple consequences of their actions will not have the most happy outcome. Get a grip. Has the UK economy been destroyed? No, the FTSE 100 dropped 3.15% on Friday, reacting to temporary uncertainty, and is up 1% on last week. European markets fell far more, reflecting the fact they have more to lose from an acrimonious Brexit than the UK does. What is narrow minded about voting to leave an anachronistic, sclerotic, anti-democratic political union, to which the UK contributes more money than it receives back, and from which the UK imports more than it exports to? In all likelihood, the UK will leave the EU, but retain access to the single market through the EEA. This will enable us to enter into free trade deals with the rest of the world, which we are not able to do as EU members. There is nothing narrow minded about that.
- yarou 10y ago
  > In all likelihood, the UK will leave the EU, but retain access to the single market through the EEA. This will enable us to enter into free trade deals with the rest of the world, which we are not able to do as EU members. There is nothing narrow minded about that. You realize that most of the trade deals for the UK will not be favorable at all, right? As you mentioned, the UK has a negative trade balance. If you voted for leave, you voted for the balkanization of Europe, and possibly the UK itself. History has proven time and time again that this is a bad and short-sighted idea (India/Pakistan partition, former Yugoslavian republics, Middle East, etc). It wouldn't surprise me if Canary Wharf suddenly relocated to Germany.
  - smm2000 10y ago
    Actually negative trade balance allows you to get better terms than reverse. The country that export more has more to lose from tariffs and benefits more from lower rates.
- devdas 10y ago
  The problem with being in the EEA is that you get all the negatives of being in the EU (free movement of people and paying into EU funds), but have no votes on how the money is spent.
gutnor 10y ago
As per the article the people that voted leave didn't really care about the consequences because they are at the bottom of the barrel already. So of course, they are not nice to fuck it up for every body else, but hey, they didn't setup a referendum in order to stay PM. Parent is on topic and gives a slightly different perspective. I assume each of his friend had at least additional argument that probably align with one the messages of the Leave campaign as with the argument he listed most people would just stay home and not vote. What is done is done, you better understand what those guys think because you will need their vote.
tomp 10y ago
LoL. You could say exactly the same thing about the Remain campaign. Especially if you put yourself into e.g. the Greek position.

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lifeisstillgood 10y ago

I think the parent post did give reasons for his vote, rational and reasonable ones. I disagree with them mostly and voted a different way, but if one vote in one small country can destroy the global economy then it was in pretty bad shape anyway. Lehman Brothers would not have caused meltdown in a financially secure global system. We must respect our democratic outcome and turn it to the best advantage of everyone. Perhaps a more democratic Europe. It seems a goal we can get behind. Edit: ok he did not say how he voted only "friends of his".

Normal_gaussian 10y ago
I didn't like the tone of the reply I gave to a sister comment of lifeisstillgood's comment and have since deleted it. In it I pointed out that I had not specified whether I had voted, or who for. This is what his edit refers to and was, like the rest of the comment, an unnecessary level of pedantry. Of course I voted the same way as the friends I had been discussing this with for years.
- lifeisstillgood 10y ago
  Rereading this again, I am still annoyed by the pedantry argument. We try to have discussions and conversations here, try to be precise to make that process clearer - and dismissing such attempts is not helping the goals. So please, don't make throw away dismissals. And be ways of assuming people of course vote the same way as their friends.

x0x0 10y ago

You realize the same people predicting the destruction of the British economy all had their fingers in the tanking of the Greek economy and/or predictions of growth that were blatant lies? See eg IMF Greek debt sustainability analyses and their continued wild exaggerations of sustainability. So there's plenty of reason to doubt such predictions or assume they are politically motivated. Recall how EU/Merkel treated Greece, a country too entangled to leave, and note Brown's decision to keep the pound sterling was prescient. That creates plenty of skepticism of the value of the EU. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16130.pdf https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16130.pdf

all2well 10y ago
The thing is, as a result of not being in the euro zone, the same sort of situation that Greece is in could not happen. In a way, it's really a disaster to have a monetary union without a fiscal union. However, the main benefit of the EU is the single market, both in terms of goods locally as well as leverage for negotiating trade deals with other, non-European countries. That's going to be what hits them the hardest, because they won't get such a good deal, especially outside the EU
tigershark 10y ago
I posted clear facts that prove behind any reasonable doubt that uk economy will plummet. You can do all the predictions that you want, but if these are not based on facts then I will label them as fantasies and wishful thinking.

UVB-76 10y ago

> I hope that you're really happy of the outcome of your vote. You destroyed uk and global economy, even if you still Don't realise it. A nation with narrow minded people that cannot understand the simple consequences of their actions will not have the most happy outcome. Get a grip. Has the UK economy been destroyed? No, the FTSE 100 dropped 3.15% on Friday, reacting to temporary uncertainty, and is up 1% on last week. European markets fell far more, reflecting the fact they have more to lose from an acrimonious Brexit than the UK does. What is narrow minded about voting to leave an anachronistic, sclerotic, anti-democratic political union, to which the UK contributes more money than it receives back, and from which the UK imports more than it exports to? In all likelihood, the UK will leave the EU, but retain access to the single market through the EEA. This will enable us to enter into free trade deals with the rest of the world, which we are not able to do as EU members. There is nothing narrow minded about that.

yarou 10y ago
> In all likelihood, the UK will leave the EU, but retain access to the single market through the EEA. This will enable us to enter into free trade deals with the rest of the world, which we are not able to do as EU members. There is nothing narrow minded about that. You realize that most of the trade deals for the UK will not be favorable at all, right? As you mentioned, the UK has a negative trade balance. If you voted for leave, you voted for the balkanization of Europe, and possibly the UK itself. History has proven time and time again that this is a bad and short-sighted idea (India/Pakistan partition, former Yugoslavian republics, Middle East, etc). It wouldn't surprise me if Canary Wharf suddenly relocated to Germany.
- smm2000 10y ago
  Actually negative trade balance allows you to get better terms than reverse. The country that export more has more to lose from tariffs and benefits more from lower rates.
devdas 10y ago
The problem with being in the EEA is that you get all the negatives of being in the EU (free movement of people and paying into EU funds), but have no votes on how the money is spent.

gutnor 10y ago

As per the article the people that voted leave didn't really care about the consequences because they are at the bottom of the barrel already. So of course, they are not nice to fuck it up for every body else, but hey, they didn't setup a referendum in order to stay PM. Parent is on topic and gives a slightly different perspective. I assume each of his friend had at least additional argument that probably align with one the messages of the Leave campaign as with the argument he listed most people would just stay home and not vote. What is done is done, you better understand what those guys think because you will need their vote.

tomp 10y ago

LoL. You could say exactly the same thing about the Remain campaign. Especially if you put yourself into e.g. the Greek position.