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Wow, thanks. I had NO idea about the Schengen region. This makes the LEAVE vote even more completely insane in my mind.

peterhunt 10y ago
While they aren't part of Schengen, they are part of European Economic Area which requires free movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
- kaspar_houser 10y ago
  Right on!
- nazgob 10y ago
  Don't they intend to stay in there and have similar deal like Norway? Norway had to accept free movement.
  - esharte 10y ago
    No one knows. That is where the instability comes in. That is why there is an effect on the price of the British pound, markets etc.
  - spriggan3 10y ago
    I think Switzerland put some limitations to free movement recently. The EU retaliated by removing access to student programs like ERASMUS for Swiss citizens. A nasty story.
    - nazgob 10y ago
      If this is true, it's quite counter-productive. It's in EU interest to send as much people as possible on Erasmus and be pro-EU. Banning will backfire on the long run. I hope some kind of solution for UK students can be forged. Majority of young ppl in UK voted remain, is would be terrible to punish them.
  - UVB-76 10y ago
    In all likelihood the UK will retain access to the single market through membership of the EEA and EFTA. This does mean the UK will have to continue allowing free movement. That said, members of the EEA have the power (under Article 112 of the EEA Agreement) to place an "emergency brake" on free movement if "serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties" liable to persist are arising. Although much of the leave vote was driven by opposition to uncontrolled migration, and continued participation in the single market will be seen by many as backtracking on this, this power (which the UK does not currently have as an EU member state) should be a sufficient degree of control for most.
dnautics 10y ago
Shouldn't the fact that citizens of the EU must piecemeal deal with a crazy mishmash of inconsistently applied arcane rules that are hard to keep in your head generally a sign that the STAY vote is completely insane? Do you know off the top of your head: what is the difference between the European council and the council of the European union? Which states are part of the European council on human rights? When the EC has or has not authority over the ECB? When or when not the MEPs have authority over the ECB? The EC?
- Panoramix 10y ago
  You can find this here: http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/index_en.htm http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/index_en.htm http://www.learneurope.eu/index.php?cID=317 http://www.learneurope.eu/index.php?cID=317 By the way, this is a moot point, since the UK was not a member of Schengen, European council on human rights, Eurozone. However, UK will want to stay in the EEA, meaning it will have to comply with basically all the things the Brexit people wanted to avoid - like regulations, the free movement of Europeans & membership fees - but with significantly worse terms, and losing the ability to vote. This is a real head scratcher IMHO.
  - MagnumOpus 10y ago
    > the UK was not a member of [...] European council on human rights If you mean the European Convention of Human Rights, yes the UK has signed it as all EU members have to. The current government's election manifesto explicity wants to exit and replace it with a "British Bill of Rights" with fewer protections on labour or on humane treatment of convicts or foreigners.
- tremon 10y ago
  Shouldn't the fact that citizens of the EU must piecemeal deal with a crazy mishmash of inconsistently applied arcane rules that are hard to keep in your head generally a sign that the STAY vote is completely insane? I reject your premise for the following reasons: - The citizens never deal directly with the rules governing the formation of the institutions of the EU. - The rules are not inconsistently applied. - The latest overhaul of the EU composition rules was performed in 2009. Which parts of it are arcane? - The rules are all written down, there is no need for anyone to keep them in their head. what is the difference between the European council and the council of the European union? The European Council is composed of the heads of state of all EU members. The Council of the EU is a topical assembly, and consists of the respective ministers of all member states (e.g. when discussing finance, the Council consists of ministers of finance). Which states are part of the European council on human rights? That does not exist. The acronym ECHR can refer to either the European Convention on Human Rights, a treaty that predates the EU, or the European Court of Human Rights, the agency entrusted with arbitrating disputes concerning the former. Its signatories are all states of Europe, including Russia and Turkey. Together they are called the Council of Europe. The only relation between the EU and the ECHR is that the EU has made court decisions binding. For members of the Council of Europe that are not EU members, the ECHR has no enforcement mechanism. When the EC has or has not authority over the ECB? EC customarily stands for European Commission, which never has authority over the European Central Bank. When or when not the MEPs have authority over the ECB? They never have. The ECB is informed and directed by the European Council, but not dictated. The EC? The European Parliament has the power to reject members of the European Commission when they are nominated.

While they aren't part of Schengen, they are part of European Economic Area which requires free movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

kaspar_houser 10y ago
Right on!
nazgob 10y ago
Don't they intend to stay in there and have similar deal like Norway? Norway had to accept free movement.
- esharte 10y ago
  No one knows. That is where the instability comes in. That is why there is an effect on the price of the British pound, markets etc.
- spriggan3 10y ago
  I think Switzerland put some limitations to free movement recently. The EU retaliated by removing access to student programs like ERASMUS for Swiss citizens. A nasty story.
  - nazgob 10y ago
    If this is true, it's quite counter-productive. It's in EU interest to send as much people as possible on Erasmus and be pro-EU. Banning will backfire on the long run. I hope some kind of solution for UK students can be forged. Majority of young ppl in UK voted remain, is would be terrible to punish them.
- UVB-76 10y ago
  In all likelihood the UK will retain access to the single market through membership of the EEA and EFTA. This does mean the UK will have to continue allowing free movement. That said, members of the EEA have the power (under Article 112 of the EEA Agreement) to place an "emergency brake" on free movement if "serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties" liable to persist are arising. Although much of the leave vote was driven by opposition to uncontrolled migration, and continued participation in the single market will be seen by many as backtracking on this, this power (which the UK does not currently have as an EU member state) should be a sufficient degree of control for most.

dnautics 10y ago

Shouldn't the fact that citizens of the EU must piecemeal deal with a crazy mishmash of inconsistently applied arcane rules that are hard to keep in your head generally a sign that the STAY vote is completely insane? Do you know off the top of your head: what is the difference between the European council and the council of the European union? Which states are part of the European council on human rights? When the EC has or has not authority over the ECB? When or when not the MEPs have authority over the ECB? The EC?

Panoramix 10y ago
You can find this here: http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/index_en.htm http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/index_en.htm http://www.learneurope.eu/index.php?cID=317 http://www.learneurope.eu/index.php?cID=317 By the way, this is a moot point, since the UK was not a member of Schengen, European council on human rights, Eurozone. However, UK will want to stay in the EEA, meaning it will have to comply with basically all the things the Brexit people wanted to avoid - like regulations, the free movement of Europeans & membership fees - but with significantly worse terms, and losing the ability to vote. This is a real head scratcher IMHO.
- MagnumOpus 10y ago
  > the UK was not a member of [...] European council on human rights If you mean the European Convention of Human Rights, yes the UK has signed it as all EU members have to. The current government's election manifesto explicity wants to exit and replace it with a "British Bill of Rights" with fewer protections on labour or on humane treatment of convicts or foreigners.
tremon 10y ago
Shouldn't the fact that citizens of the EU must piecemeal deal with a crazy mishmash of inconsistently applied arcane rules that are hard to keep in your head generally a sign that the STAY vote is completely insane? I reject your premise for the following reasons: - The citizens never deal directly with the rules governing the formation of the institutions of the EU. - The rules are not inconsistently applied. - The latest overhaul of the EU composition rules was performed in 2009. Which parts of it are arcane? - The rules are all written down, there is no need for anyone to keep them in their head. what is the difference between the European council and the council of the European union? The European Council is composed of the heads of state of all EU members. The Council of the EU is a topical assembly, and consists of the respective ministers of all member states (e.g. when discussing finance, the Council consists of ministers of finance). Which states are part of the European council on human rights? That does not exist. The acronym ECHR can refer to either the European Convention on Human Rights, a treaty that predates the EU, or the European Court of Human Rights, the agency entrusted with arbitrating disputes concerning the former. Its signatories are all states of Europe, including Russia and Turkey. Together they are called the Council of Europe. The only relation between the EU and the ECHR is that the EU has made court decisions binding. For members of the Council of Europe that are not EU members, the ECHR has no enforcement mechanism. When the EC has or has not authority over the ECB? EC customarily stands for European Commission, which never has authority over the European Central Bank. When or when not the MEPs have authority over the ECB? They never have. The ECB is informed and directed by the European Council, but not dictated. The EC? The European Parliament has the power to reject members of the European Commission when they are nominated.