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Do you really think it's possible to bully white people (as a function of their whiteness and in the UK)?! I have no doubt that you can bully people who happen

by arrrg 10y ago

Do you really think it's possible to bully white people (as a function of their whiteness and in the UK)?! I have no doubt that you can bully people who happen to be white (I'm white and I was bullied), but that's not the same. To class this as racism seems on its face ridiculous.

noobermin 10y ago
I don't think he was insinuating racism. Instead, he is remarking on what he sees in social media, as people blaming this specifically on "old whites".
- objclxt 10y ago
  I think on a purely statistical level this is somewhat true, certainly the polling suggests it. However, millennials should really be just as mad - if not more so - at themselves for either a) not voting (under 30 turnout being much lower than over 50), or b) not taking it seriously (it's becoming clear some people voted "leave" because they didn't seriously think it was a viable outcome and wanted to just register their dissatisfaction with the government).
  - mikekchar 10y ago
    The polling also seemed to suggest that remain would have a comfortable victory. What people are not doing is tracing the source of the statistics. They lead to pro-remain lobbyists. I don't know if the statistics are correct or not, but what I can tell you is that I see absolutely no mention of statistical methods in the various graphs reported in the media. What I've learned: If I ever need a lobbyist, I'm hiring these guys - https://infacts.org/ https://infacts.org/ (In case you are wonder, they are the source of all those wonderful graphs you've seen in the newspapers on the demographics of voters)
    - noobermin 10y ago
      So I've heard something similar before...wouldn't showing remain winning make remain voters complacent and less likely to vote?
      - mikekchar 10y ago
        This is my point. Polls generated by lobbyists are constructed to influence people. If you have a poll and it doesn't say what you want, you bury it. Otherwise you use creative sampling techniques to generate the result you want. This is fine because we can just ignore them just like we ignore studies by Apple showing the iOS is 10x better than Android. It's marketing. The problem is that lobbyists realise that they can simply write articles and hand them to journalists who will print them almost untouched. Sometimes newspapers will bypass the journalist outright and print this kind of propaganda directly if it aligns with their goals. With this issue you can see this directly. Simply find the source of every graph on this topic printed in a newspaper and it will lead back to the web site I linked to without fail.
  - Normal_gaussian 10y ago
    You are assuming those that didn't vote wanted to remain. Not voting shows disengagement, indecision, or disdain. Anyone regretting not voting at the moment is likely reacting to the tone of the resultant hyperbole than any actual knowledge or opinion.
guard-of-terra 10y ago
Yes, it's pretty easy to bully white people. Of course, you'll be bullying 99%, not the 1%. To do that, you just have to bill white 99%-ers for privileges that 1%-ers gave themself. Tell white 99%-ers that it's somehow solely them who are responsible both for their own sad fate, for taking 1%-ers to power, and also for every racial and classist abuse there is.
spriggan3 10y ago
> Do you really think it's possible to bully white people > but that's not the same If you blame a specific race|color of skin for whatever reason yes that's racism. It doesn't matter if one tries to redefine the word "racism" in order to feel like he is doing something acceptable socially. Each time I see "white tears" on a mug, or articles online blaming "white people" for this and that like on Techcrunch , I feel like we're going backward , not forward. I say that as a black man. More racism doesn't fix racism. Redefining racism to make it politically correct doesn't change the vile nature of racism. What's next, blaming jews because they are mostly white and more successful than others ? and that wouldn't be racism because they are white ? we've already been there we've seen where it leads ... But that's where we are today, there is an acceptable racist speech, blaming white people , and the rest. Strangely, the economic system that creates and generate inequalities between races is never put in questions by the "new racism" pundits.

by arrrg 10y ago

noobermin 10y ago

I don't think he was insinuating racism. Instead, he is remarking on what he sees in social media, as people blaming this specifically on "old whites".

objclxt 10y ago
I think on a purely statistical level this is somewhat true, certainly the polling suggests it. However, millennials should really be just as mad - if not more so - at themselves for either a) not voting (under 30 turnout being much lower than over 50), or b) not taking it seriously (it's becoming clear some people voted "leave" because they didn't seriously think it was a viable outcome and wanted to just register their dissatisfaction with the government).
- mikekchar 10y ago
  The polling also seemed to suggest that remain would have a comfortable victory. What people are not doing is tracing the source of the statistics. They lead to pro-remain lobbyists. I don't know if the statistics are correct or not, but what I can tell you is that I see absolutely no mention of statistical methods in the various graphs reported in the media. What I've learned: If I ever need a lobbyist, I'm hiring these guys - https://infacts.org/ https://infacts.org/ (In case you are wonder, they are the source of all those wonderful graphs you've seen in the newspapers on the demographics of voters)
  - noobermin 10y ago
    So I've heard something similar before...wouldn't showing remain winning make remain voters complacent and less likely to vote?
    - mikekchar 10y ago
      This is my point. Polls generated by lobbyists are constructed to influence people. If you have a poll and it doesn't say what you want, you bury it. Otherwise you use creative sampling techniques to generate the result you want. This is fine because we can just ignore them just like we ignore studies by Apple showing the iOS is 10x better than Android. It's marketing. The problem is that lobbyists realise that they can simply write articles and hand them to journalists who will print them almost untouched. Sometimes newspapers will bypass the journalist outright and print this kind of propaganda directly if it aligns with their goals. With this issue you can see this directly. Simply find the source of every graph on this topic printed in a newspaper and it will lead back to the web site I linked to without fail.
- Normal_gaussian 10y ago
  You are assuming those that didn't vote wanted to remain. Not voting shows disengagement, indecision, or disdain. Anyone regretting not voting at the moment is likely reacting to the tone of the resultant hyperbole than any actual knowledge or opinion.

guard-of-terra 10y ago

Yes, it's pretty easy to bully white people. Of course, you'll be bullying 99%, not the 1%. To do that, you just have to bill white 99%-ers for privileges that 1%-ers gave themself. Tell white 99%-ers that it's somehow solely them who are responsible both for their own sad fate, for taking 1%-ers to power, and also for every racial and classist abuse there is.

spriggan3 10y ago

> Do you really think it's possible to bully white people > but that's not the same If you blame a specific race|color of skin for whatever reason yes that's racism. It doesn't matter if one tries to redefine the word "racism" in order to feel like he is doing something acceptable socially. Each time I see "white tears" on a mug, or articles online blaming "white people" for this and that like on Techcrunch , I feel like we're going backward , not forward. I say that as a black man. More racism doesn't fix racism. Redefining racism to make it politically correct doesn't change the vile nature of racism. What's next, blaming jews because they are mostly white and more successful than others ? and that wouldn't be racism because they are white ? we've already been there we've seen where it leads ... But that's where we are today, there is an acceptable racist speech, blaming white people , and the rest. Strangely, the economic system that creates and generate inequalities between races is never put in questions by the "new racism" pundits.