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This is probably the best thing Greenwald has ever written. Everyone in (or interested in) media, politics, government, academia, etc. should read it carefully

This is probably the best thing Greenwald has ever written. Everyone in (or interested in) media, politics, government, academia, etc. should read it carefully and with a wide open mind. Grappling with this piece, its linked pieces, and Twilight of the Elites should be something that is now done in earnest; this is a chance for elites in other troubled western countries to work on getting ahead of the problem, as they failed to do previously, before it really gets out of hand. The status quo is a failure, and continued denial will only lead us down an ever-darker road. We need a new way.

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_yosefk 10y ago
Except few Leave voters would agree with his explanations of their vote or want him as their representative, I'd guess. So him talking about failure to listen is a bit funny.
- Futurebot 10y ago
  Sure, that's probably true. They don't need to listen to him, though; elites do. Then elites, through various mechanisms, need to a) communicate effectively to do those who are now disaffected and more importantly b) create conditions where bigotry (and other forms of exclusion) do not overtake good sense because of economic pressures / scarcity / perceived scarcity. It certainly won't be overnight, but the sooner they start, the sooner we can start fixing things.
  - _yosefk 10y ago
    What if you and TFA are both wrong in that the opposite of bigotry and exclusion is completely open borders and that the latter is desirable? What if control over immigration policy is a legitimate thing to seek regardless of "perceived scarcity"? Or what if it's not legitimate but that's what the public genuinely wants? What if (much of) the root cause is in many other issues with European integration that many Europeans don't like even though you and TFA think integration is the cat's whiskers?

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This is probably the best thing Greenwald has ever written. Everyone in (or interested in) media, politics, government, academia, etc. should read it carefully

by Futurebot 10y ago

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_yosefk 10y ago
Except few Leave voters would agree with his explanations of their vote or want him as their representative, I'd guess. So him talking about failure to listen is a bit funny.
- Futurebot 10y ago
  Sure, that's probably true. They don't need to listen to him, though; elites do. Then elites, through various mechanisms, need to a) communicate effectively to do those who are now disaffected and more importantly b) create conditions where bigotry (and other forms of exclusion) do not overtake good sense because of economic pressures / scarcity / perceived scarcity. It certainly won't be overnight, but the sooner they start, the sooner we can start fixing things.
  - _yosefk 10y ago
    What if you and TFA are both wrong in that the opposite of bigotry and exclusion is completely open borders and that the latter is desirable? What if control over immigration policy is a legitimate thing to seek regardless of "perceived scarcity"? Or what if it's not legitimate but that's what the public genuinely wants? What if (much of) the root cause is in many other issues with European integration that many Europeans don't like even though you and TFA think integration is the cat's whiskers?