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This is a compositing package, much different from blender. If you believe that blender is a "quality video editor" please try at least kdenlive to understand

This is a compositing package, much different from blender. If you believe that blender is a "quality video editor" please try at least kdenlive to understand what a decent video editor looks like. The video editing feature set in blender is a nice addon for hardcore Blender users but totally inaccessible for anybody else and missing a lot of must-have features. But it is nice, however, to see that they are working on it, maybe in a few years it will be great.

zaphar 10y ago
I have in fact tried kdenlive in the past and found it be (for my needs which are admittedly small) to be subpar compared to Blender. Addtionally, so as far as I know it's only available on Linux while both Blender and Natron appear to be available on multiple platforms which is an important feature to me. I'm not a professional video editor of course and everyone looks at this stuff with different slightly desires. Blender had NLE before kdenlive even existed, if I recall correctly. My comment was in reference to that period of time. It's nice to see competitors like kdenlive and natron have appeared. What must-have features are missing? Last I checked it did basic video editing really well and it's compositing engine is really quite nice. It's not Adobe Premiere but for most use cases I've found it to be the most complete and featureful editor out there that is both multiplatform and Open Source.
- Joeboy 10y ago
  I'm with you on the Blender VSE vs Kdenlive question fwiw. First tried Kdenlive years ago and couldn't get sound to sync, so gave up. Tried again a few months ago, can't remember what the exact problem was but found it to be wanting compared to Blender. I will admit that Blender has an unusual UI that will deter a lot of people.
  - quadrangle 10y ago
    was a few months ago when you tried kdenlive before or after their recent major overhaul? Basically, did you use the older version that was the traditional sequential-numbers versioning or the newer date-based versioning? (note that lots of progress has happened in even just the last few months)
    - Joeboy 10y ago
      Dunno to be honest. I've become a bit cynical because for the last decade or so people have claimed that there are good FOSS editors, then when you try and use them they fall apart at the first opportunity. Blender's the only NLE I've found that's not comically flaky. It's possible Kdenlive really has improved though.
      - zaphar 10y ago
        Same here, for quite a long time there were a number of projects claiming to do video editing. (Anyone remember Jahshaka?) Blender was literally the only thing out there that delivered for years. This is one of the first projects I've seen that looked like it also delivered. Like I said before it's good to see some actual competition in this space.
      - tjl 10y ago
        How many NLE software packages have you used? I find it interesting that it seems that for a some people, Blender is their first experience with a node-based editor. They've been around for years. While I haven't used Nuke (or Shake), I was very good with Houdini for CG which is all based around nodes. It does include some basic compositing (or at least it did the last time I used it).
        Joeboy 10y ago
        I tried maybe a dozen FOSS NLEs before finding Blender. Many, many years ago I used Premier. The other big node-based thing is audio synthesis / effects, for example Pure Data. As far as I know these are the only areas where dataflow programming has really taken off.
        tjl 10y ago
        LabView is node-based. It's extremely popular (and quite old). http://www.ni.com/labview/ http://www.ni.com/labview/ Matlab's Simulink is also node-based (probably because of LabView). It's also widely used. http://www.mathworks.com/products/simulink/ http://www.mathworks.com/products/simulink/
- quadrangle 10y ago
  Are you aware that kdenlive has been totally redone for qt5 / KDE5 and has had lots of continued work lately? Overall Blender, Kdenlive, Natron, and perhaps the new Openshot 2 are the current best FLO options for video with some stuff like Pitivi something to keep a watch on.

zaphar 10y ago

I have in fact tried kdenlive in the past and found it be (for my needs which are admittedly small) to be subpar compared to Blender. Addtionally, so as far as I know it's only available on Linux while both Blender and Natron appear to be available on multiple platforms which is an important feature to me. I'm not a professional video editor of course and everyone looks at this stuff with different slightly desires. Blender had NLE before kdenlive even existed, if I recall correctly. My comment was in reference to that period of time. It's nice to see competitors like kdenlive and natron have appeared. What must-have features are missing? Last I checked it did basic video editing really well and it's compositing engine is really quite nice. It's not Adobe Premiere but for most use cases I've found it to be the most complete and featureful editor out there that is both multiplatform and Open Source.

Joeboy 10y ago
I'm with you on the Blender VSE vs Kdenlive question fwiw. First tried Kdenlive years ago and couldn't get sound to sync, so gave up. Tried again a few months ago, can't remember what the exact problem was but found it to be wanting compared to Blender. I will admit that Blender has an unusual UI that will deter a lot of people.
- quadrangle 10y ago
  was a few months ago when you tried kdenlive before or after their recent major overhaul? Basically, did you use the older version that was the traditional sequential-numbers versioning or the newer date-based versioning? (note that lots of progress has happened in even just the last few months)
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    Dunno to be honest. I've become a bit cynical because for the last decade or so people have claimed that there are good FOSS editors, then when you try and use them they fall apart at the first opportunity. Blender's the only NLE I've found that's not comically flaky. It's possible Kdenlive really has improved though.
    - zaphar 10y ago
      Same here, for quite a long time there were a number of projects claiming to do video editing. (Anyone remember Jahshaka?) Blender was literally the only thing out there that delivered for years. This is one of the first projects I've seen that looked like it also delivered. Like I said before it's good to see some actual competition in this space.
    - tjl 10y ago
      How many NLE software packages have you used? I find it interesting that it seems that for a some people, Blender is their first experience with a node-based editor. They've been around for years. While I haven't used Nuke (or Shake), I was very good with Houdini for CG which is all based around nodes. It does include some basic compositing (or at least it did the last time I used it).
      - Joeboy 10y ago
        I tried maybe a dozen FOSS NLEs before finding Blender. Many, many years ago I used Premier. The other big node-based thing is audio synthesis / effects, for example Pure Data. As far as I know these are the only areas where dataflow programming has really taken off.
        tjl 10y ago
        LabView is node-based. It's extremely popular (and quite old). http://www.ni.com/labview/ http://www.ni.com/labview/ Matlab's Simulink is also node-based (probably because of LabView). It's also widely used. http://www.mathworks.com/products/simulink/ http://www.mathworks.com/products/simulink/
quadrangle 10y ago
Are you aware that kdenlive has been totally redone for qt5 / KDE5 and has had lots of continued work lately? Overall Blender, Kdenlive, Natron, and perhaps the new Openshot 2 are the current best FLO options for video with some stuff like Pitivi something to keep a watch on.