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Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote. There are a few details which diffe

by TillE 10y ago

Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote. There are a few details which differ slightly (you have to leave Norway after several months without finding a job, whereas the UK will merely pull your benefits), but I don't think that's nearly enough to satisfy the demands of those who wish to drastically cut immigration.

airesQ 10y ago
Yes, for the UK case it would be an exit in name only. But some in the leave side are for this (e.g. Hannan), with free movement and fees. They are openly conceding that having a tight control over EU migration is not feasible, and that it was an empty campaign promise (and keep in mind that UK does not have all that many migrants, Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, and others have more). Anyway, maybe we will get deadlock. Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50.
- vinceguidry 10y ago
  > Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50. Article 50 invocation marks the start of formal negotiations. They can negotiate behind the scenes for as long as they can before political pressure compels them to pull the trigger.
  - airesQ 10y ago
    But the EU can simply refuse to negotiate. I think the EU does want to give the voters what they asked for. And that is Brexit. Out is out. Not EEA.
    - hackerboos 10y ago
      The language of the article suggests otherwise: > 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
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digi_owl 10y ago
> Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote. If Norway didn't already have a free travel agreement with the rest of the Nordics i suspect it would have stayed out of Shengen.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  Schengen has nothing to do with free movement. Schengen means no borders and the UK has never ever been in Schengen.

by TillE 10y ago

airesQ 10y ago

Yes, for the UK case it would be an exit in name only. But some in the leave side are for this (e.g. Hannan), with free movement and fees. They are openly conceding that having a tight control over EU migration is not feasible, and that it was an empty campaign promise (and keep in mind that UK does not have all that many migrants, Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, and others have more). Anyway, maybe we will get deadlock. Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50.

vinceguidry 10y ago
> Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50. Article 50 invocation marks the start of formal negotiations. They can negotiate behind the scenes for as long as they can before political pressure compels them to pull the trigger.
- airesQ 10y ago
  But the EU can simply refuse to negotiate. I think the EU does want to give the voters what they asked for. And that is Brexit. Out is out. Not EEA.
  - hackerboos 10y ago
    The language of the article suggests otherwise: > 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
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digi_owl 10y ago

> Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote. If Norway didn't already have a free travel agreement with the rest of the Nordics i suspect it would have stayed out of Shengen.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago
Schengen has nothing to do with free movement. Schengen means no borders and the UK has never ever been in Schengen.