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They won't, though. The EU elites want to discourage other countries from leaving. If they compromise then others will follow in the UK's path in order to extra

They won't, though. The EU elites want to discourage other countries from leaving. If they compromise then others will follow in the UK's path in order to extract concessions.

matt4077 10y ago
The main problem is that the British don't even know what to ask for. When examined closely, there really isn't anything actually that wrong about the EU. They could've gotten a lot more in the recent negotiations but nobody knows what that should be. The only specific grievance is EU migration and that just happens to be one of the four fundamental principles.
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- crdoconnor 10y ago
  Ask a poor Greek who dutifully paid their taxes now struggling on 80 euros a week who can't get medicines if there's anything wrong with the EU. The EU's sheer brutality towards Greece is one of the reasons I abstained. They didn't have a democratic mandate to do that and the institution itself is being gradually changed in order to remove democratic oversight (that's one of the reasons they could be so fucking brutal). More real power exists in the ECB and EU commission now and the parliament is more and more toothless. That's wrong on multiple levels. I'm pretty sure the British outside of the cities are rationally voting to reduce competition in the labour market. Just ask the "in" campaign: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181385/Wages-for-British-workers-will-rise-in-the-event-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/1218... If the EU keeps preaching austerity, labor market suppression and other neoliberal ideas I expect it to dissolve in a decade or two.
  - tim333 10y ago
    Some of the brits may be rationally voting to reduce competition in the labour market but it's dubious that it'll work to raise wages. There is the counterforce of companies locating elsewhere to avoid tariff uncertainties. The main problem in Greece and the UK rural areas are the dumb austerity policies.
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    As someone living in greece, I'm really tired of the country being used as a toy example for EU failures. Greece's failures are mainly self-inflicted and run far deeper than the handling economic crisis. It's a complex subject, not one you can cheapen by emotion crying out "Look at the poor greek who cannot afford medication". Seriously...
  - prodmerc 10y ago
    Then look at all the greeks who didn't pay their taxes and the politicians who flat out lied to get the Euro, then pocketed billions while the country slowly went over the edge... It's nothing like the UK. Although maybe letting them out of the Euro would be a good thing, but apparently there's no mechanism for that.
rwmj 10y ago
"elites" - that word again. Can you define exactly what you mean by it?

They won't, though. The EU elites want to discourage other countries from leaving. If they compromise then others will follow in the UK's path in order to extract concessions.

matt4077 10y ago

The main problem is that the British don't even know what to ask for. When examined closely, there really isn't anything actually that wrong about the EU. They could've gotten a lot more in the recent negotiations but nobody knows what that should be. The only specific grievance is EU migration and that just happens to be one of the four fundamental principles.

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crdoconnor 10y ago
Ask a poor Greek who dutifully paid their taxes now struggling on 80 euros a week who can't get medicines if there's anything wrong with the EU. The EU's sheer brutality towards Greece is one of the reasons I abstained. They didn't have a democratic mandate to do that and the institution itself is being gradually changed in order to remove democratic oversight (that's one of the reasons they could be so fucking brutal). More real power exists in the ECB and EU commission now and the parliament is more and more toothless. That's wrong on multiple levels. I'm pretty sure the British outside of the cities are rationally voting to reduce competition in the labour market. Just ask the "in" campaign: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181385/Wages-for-British-workers-will-rise-in-the-event-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/1218... If the EU keeps preaching austerity, labor market suppression and other neoliberal ideas I expect it to dissolve in a decade or two.
- tim333 10y ago
  Some of the brits may be rationally voting to reduce competition in the labour market but it's dubious that it'll work to raise wages. There is the counterforce of companies locating elsewhere to avoid tariff uncertainties. The main problem in Greece and the UK rural areas are the dumb austerity policies.
- scrollaway 10y ago
  As someone living in greece, I'm really tired of the country being used as a toy example for EU failures. Greece's failures are mainly self-inflicted and run far deeper than the handling economic crisis. It's a complex subject, not one you can cheapen by emotion crying out "Look at the poor greek who cannot afford medication". Seriously...
- prodmerc 10y ago
  Then look at all the greeks who didn't pay their taxes and the politicians who flat out lied to get the Euro, then pocketed billions while the country slowly went over the edge... It's nothing like the UK. Although maybe letting them out of the Euro would be a good thing, but apparently there's no mechanism for that.

rwmj 10y ago

"elites" - that word again. Can you define exactly what you mean by it?