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Sorry, but you cannot change the rules after the fact. Even if this did succeed, it would apply only to future referendums (referenda?). It won't change what ha

Sorry, but you cannot change the rules after the fact. Even if this did succeed, it would apply only to future referendums (referenda?). It won't change what happened on Thursday. [Update:] Aside from the fact that it's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to have people vote until you like the result. I suspect this line of thinking is partly why people wanted to leave.

Daviey 10y ago
I'm playing best of 3. </joke> But.. 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. When it is such a massive thing and the vote is 52% vs 48% with a 71% turnout.. it is too close to be definitive as it stands... Also, this petition was created back in May.. So it isn't as if this was created as a response to the result.
- alexbilbie 10y ago
  > But... 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. Um no...48% of voters did not vote for leaving the EU. People who were eligible to vote and didn't turn out are not voters.
  - Daviey 10y ago
    The Scottish Independence referendum of 1979, which produced similar results with 51.6% wanting out failed because a 40% of eligible voters had to support the proposal. As the turnout was only 64%, this means that only 32.9% voted to leave - shy of the required 40% required for it to be successful. Therefore, for that referendum - eligible voters that did not vote, still contributed to the vote by inaction, and weighted towards the remain camp. This is a much more reasonable way to hold a referendum of this sort, as the burden of change is weighted on those trying to break status quo. Wish we did something similar for this referendum.
- travisby 10y ago
  And 65.3% did not vote to stay in the EU. Your statistic is intentionally misleading.
- dingaling 10y ago
  > But.. 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. And 100% of British voters did not vote for joining the EU. Ideally the EU would require member states to hold a membership referendum every 15 or 20 years. That would be an honest and democratic way of self-checking the state of the union. As it is, many of the older former-EEC nations have never actually asked their populace whether they want to be in a political union.
JonoBB 10y ago
I suspect that a large number who voted to leave were doing so in protest, and did not expect to (or perhaps even want to) actually win the vote. I can't comment on the merits of this petition, but I'd guess that another referendum held today would have a different result. Pure conjecture, anecdotal evidence and more than a little bit of wishful thinking of course :)
Veratyr 10y ago
> Aside from the fact that it's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to have people vote until you like the result. I suspect this line of thinking is partly why people wanted to leave. This petition was started on May 25th, well before the referendum occurred. The original intent was that these rules would apply before voting started (the deadline is November 25th and all petitions run for 6 months, therefore the petition started on May 25th).
- i_don_t_know 10y ago
  I did not know that. I'm sorry. I was clearly wrong and should not have accused the petitioners before checking the facts.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    Especially since the person who started this petition is firmly in the Leave camp, and wants the UK to leave. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/petition-calling-for-second-eu-referendum-was-created-by-a-leave/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/petition-calling-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-latest-news-vote-leave-a7104076.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petitio...

Daviey 10y ago

I'm playing best of 3. </joke> But.. 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. When it is such a massive thing and the vote is 52% vs 48% with a 71% turnout.. it is too close to be definitive as it stands... Also, this petition was created back in May.. So it isn't as if this was created as a response to the result.

alexbilbie 10y ago
> But... 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. Um no...48% of voters did not vote for leaving the EU. People who were eligible to vote and didn't turn out are not voters.
- Daviey 10y ago
  The Scottish Independence referendum of 1979, which produced similar results with 51.6% wanting out failed because a 40% of eligible voters had to support the proposal. As the turnout was only 64%, this means that only 32.9% voted to leave - shy of the required 40% required for it to be successful. Therefore, for that referendum - eligible voters that did not vote, still contributed to the vote by inaction, and weighted towards the remain camp. This is a much more reasonable way to hold a referendum of this sort, as the burden of change is weighted on those trying to break status quo. Wish we did something similar for this referendum.
travisby 10y ago
And 65.3% did not vote to stay in the EU. Your statistic is intentionally misleading.
dingaling 10y ago
> But.. 62.5% of British voters did not vote for leaving the EU. And 100% of British voters did not vote for joining the EU. Ideally the EU would require member states to hold a membership referendum every 15 or 20 years. That would be an honest and democratic way of self-checking the state of the union. As it is, many of the older former-EEC nations have never actually asked their populace whether they want to be in a political union.

JonoBB 10y ago

I suspect that a large number who voted to leave were doing so in protest, and did not expect to (or perhaps even want to) actually win the vote. I can't comment on the merits of this petition, but I'd guess that another referendum held today would have a different result. Pure conjecture, anecdotal evidence and more than a little bit of wishful thinking of course :)

Veratyr 10y ago

> Aside from the fact that it's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to have people vote until you like the result. I suspect this line of thinking is partly why people wanted to leave. This petition was started on May 25th, well before the referendum occurred. The original intent was that these rules would apply before voting started (the deadline is November 25th and all petitions run for 6 months, therefore the petition started on May 25th).

i_don_t_know 10y ago
I did not know that. I'm sorry. I was clearly wrong and should not have accused the petitioners before checking the facts.
- DanBC 10y ago
  Especially since the person who started this petition is firmly in the Leave camp, and wants the UK to leave. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/petition-calling-for-second-eu-referendum-was-created-by-a-leave/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/petition-calling-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-latest-news-vote-leave-a7104076.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petitio...