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The people saw vastly increasing incomes and life expectancy, primarily at the bottom. Also massive and unprecedented decreases in poverty. http://www.maxroser

The people saw vastly increasing incomes and life expectancy, primarily at the bottom. Also massive and unprecedented decreases in poverty. http://www.maxroser.com/economic-world-history-in-one-chart/ http://www.maxroser.com/economic-world-history-in-one-chart/ https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/ https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/ https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/74560291412360396 https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/74560291412360396 Oh, by "people", did you mean "privileged westerners"? The "people" also saw no benefit from desegregation if you define "people" to be "white people".

jacobolus 10y ago
He’s presumably talking about the folks who voted for Brexit, that is, predominantly older, less educated, native-born English (and Welsh), many of them from regions of England which have been economically stagnant or declining for several decades and where a high proportion of ambitious youngsters have left for greener pastures in London or elsewhere in Europe.
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- vkou 10y ago
  Amusingly enough, those people's futures were not auctioned off by the EU, but rather by Thatcherism.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    And not really by Thatcherism, but by technological development, European integration and world commerce.
- shawndumas 10y ago
  I think GP would say that those people are privileged westerners–by worldwide standards.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  Declining? What good or service did those people have in the past that they don't have today?
danharaj 10y ago
> The people saw vastly increasing incomes and life expectancy, primarily at the bottom. Also massive and unprecedented decreases in poverty. It's not necessarily the case that the benefits of globalism could only come with the costs of globalism. Yes, neoliberal global capitalism was better than the imperialism that came before it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have fatal shortcomings that are coming to a head.
StevePerkins 10y ago
There was a time not so long ago (maybe 12 months?) in which I might have nodded my head at a comment like this. After a solid year of being told that not voting for Bernie makes me a pro-globalization racist, and being told that questioning the EU makes me an anti-globalization racist, I'm kinda burned out. I've just accepted that people on the Internet are going to call me racist no matter what. Sadly, I just don't care anymore. I mean... on a substantive level I still do, and I still hold the same left-leaning principles that I held a year ago. But I no longer feel the same wince of recoil at hearing the word "racist" anymore. The current climate is pure histrionics, and people have cried wolf enough times to leave me numb. Obviously, the commenter was referring to the "people" who live in the UK and voted yesterday. I mean... duh. Regardless of one's position on Brexit one way or the other, this retort was absurd.
- johncolanduoni 10y ago
  > voting for Bernie makes me a pro-globalization racist I "get" the racist part (as in I get the causal structure in other people's brains that makes them come up with this, not that I agree with it), but not the pro-globalization part. Bernie Sanders was pretty vocal about his voting record on free trade (NAFTA, etc.), which he was consistently against.
  - StevePerkins 10y ago
    not voting for Bernie (Although there is no shortage of people who will say that Bernie voters were privileged and racist for their condescension toward the black vote too. The fact that you can include or omit the "not", and people don't notice, kinda underscores the point.)
    - johncolanduoni 10y ago
      Sorry, I misread! Depressingly enough people calling you racist for it remains believable.
- airesQ 10y ago
  I've been hearing this type of complaints recently. And it is funny how it sounds like a call for political correctness. From a point of the political spectrum that usually despises it.
dclowd9901 10y ago
Who voted for the referendum? I'm not justifying what happened I'm explaining what happened. I understand the benefits of globalism even if poorly educated 50+s in the UK do not. Don't need your chest puffing faux enlightenment, thanks.

jacobolus 10y ago

He’s presumably talking about the folks who voted for Brexit, that is, predominantly older, less educated, native-born English (and Welsh), many of them from regions of England which have been economically stagnant or declining for several decades and where a high proportion of ambitious youngsters have left for greener pastures in London or elsewhere in Europe.

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vkou 10y ago
Amusingly enough, those people's futures were not auctioned off by the EU, but rather by Thatcherism.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  And not really by Thatcherism, but by technological development, European integration and world commerce.
shawndumas 10y ago
I think GP would say that those people are privileged westerners–by worldwide standards.
yummyfajitas 10y ago
Declining? What good or service did those people have in the past that they don't have today?

danharaj 10y ago

> The people saw vastly increasing incomes and life expectancy, primarily at the bottom. Also massive and unprecedented decreases in poverty. It's not necessarily the case that the benefits of globalism could only come with the costs of globalism. Yes, neoliberal global capitalism was better than the imperialism that came before it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have fatal shortcomings that are coming to a head.

StevePerkins 10y ago

There was a time not so long ago (maybe 12 months?) in which I might have nodded my head at a comment like this. After a solid year of being told that not voting for Bernie makes me a pro-globalization racist, and being told that questioning the EU makes me an anti-globalization racist, I'm kinda burned out. I've just accepted that people on the Internet are going to call me racist no matter what. Sadly, I just don't care anymore. I mean... on a substantive level I still do, and I still hold the same left-leaning principles that I held a year ago. But I no longer feel the same wince of recoil at hearing the word "racist" anymore. The current climate is pure histrionics, and people have cried wolf enough times to leave me numb. Obviously, the commenter was referring to the "people" who live in the UK and voted yesterday. I mean... duh. Regardless of one's position on Brexit one way or the other, this retort was absurd.

johncolanduoni 10y ago
> voting for Bernie makes me a pro-globalization racist I "get" the racist part (as in I get the causal structure in other people's brains that makes them come up with this, not that I agree with it), but not the pro-globalization part. Bernie Sanders was pretty vocal about his voting record on free trade (NAFTA, etc.), which he was consistently against.
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  not voting for Bernie (Although there is no shortage of people who will say that Bernie voters were privileged and racist for their condescension toward the black vote too. The fact that you can include or omit the "not", and people don't notice, kinda underscores the point.)
  - johncolanduoni 10y ago
    Sorry, I misread! Depressingly enough people calling you racist for it remains believable.
airesQ 10y ago
I've been hearing this type of complaints recently. And it is funny how it sounds like a call for political correctness. From a point of the political spectrum that usually despises it.

dclowd9901 10y ago

Who voted for the referendum? I'm not justifying what happened I'm explaining what happened. I understand the benefits of globalism even if poorly educated 50+s in the UK do not. Don't need your chest puffing faux enlightenment, thanks.