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The EU experiment has failed. The currency alone is proof of that. And now that several of the member states are economic sinking ships, the stronger nations ar

by boona 10y ago

The EU experiment has failed. The currency alone is proof of that. And now that several of the member states are economic sinking ships, the stronger nations are saving themselves before they go down with them. It'll be interesting to see what Germany does next. Either way, good on the UK, they don't need the EU member states and in they're much better for it.

kristopolous 10y ago
So California should break off by this logic? What about London from the rest of England? Why not transform everything into tiny autonomous little city states? Perhaps the nation of San Francisco? The problems of the 21st century; climate change, desertification and its corresponding migratory effects, fresh water depletion, sea level rises, the devaluation of labor capital, avoiding another world war... these can't be addressed by tiny little autonomous nations working in their own self interest based on some fetishized national narrative. That's what caused the problems to begin with. Capital and nature doesn't respect borders. There's one planet. Any subdivision past that is an artificial invention and permits writing off consequences and shunting of responsibilities. We're all adults here and it's high time we start acting like it.
- angersock 10y ago
  A great deal of those problems are directly the result of large nation states and industrialization. Things that work in California don't make sense in the rest of the country--after all, look how well they've handled their water and regulating their own usage. Similarly, I don't think anybody from rural US would look kindly on progressive values being instilled on them--nor anybody in a liberal city having to put up with the opposite. The advantage of small government is that it allows flexibility and accommodation for its population.
  - kristopolous 10y ago
    There needs to be some kind of institution. Engineers have systems that seem to work. For instance, humanity has settled on a very complex set of evolving standards in order for me to input this content on a smartphone and have it be read by billions of others around the world. There needs to be a W3C/IEEE of the political world. Unicode, IPv6, HTML5, we can do this...

by boona 10y ago

kristopolous 10y ago

So California should break off by this logic? What about London from the rest of England? Why not transform everything into tiny autonomous little city states? Perhaps the nation of San Francisco? The problems of the 21st century; climate change, desertification and its corresponding migratory effects, fresh water depletion, sea level rises, the devaluation of labor capital, avoiding another world war... these can't be addressed by tiny little autonomous nations working in their own self interest based on some fetishized national narrative. That's what caused the problems to begin with. Capital and nature doesn't respect borders. There's one planet. Any subdivision past that is an artificial invention and permits writing off consequences and shunting of responsibilities. We're all adults here and it's high time we start acting like it.

angersock 10y ago
A great deal of those problems are directly the result of large nation states and industrialization. Things that work in California don't make sense in the rest of the country--after all, look how well they've handled their water and regulating their own usage. Similarly, I don't think anybody from rural US would look kindly on progressive values being instilled on them--nor anybody in a liberal city having to put up with the opposite. The advantage of small government is that it allows flexibility and accommodation for its population.
- kristopolous 10y ago
  There needs to be some kind of institution. Engineers have systems that seem to work. For instance, humanity has settled on a very complex set of evolving standards in order for me to input this content on a smartphone and have it be read by billions of others around the world. There needs to be a W3C/IEEE of the political world. Unicode, IPv6, HTML5, we can do this...