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> "Everyone in the EU is ruled by their own elected government. The unelected bureaucrats in Brussels don't rule anybody. Their ability to make decisions for me

> "Everyone in the EU is ruled by their own elected government. The unelected bureaucrats in Brussels don't rule anybody. Their ability to make decisions for member states is limited by treaties. In any case, the UK was significantly more independent than other EU states in terms of currency and economic issues." The agenda of the EU is controlled by the EU Commission, as they're the only group that can propose laws. The EU Commissioners are not democratically elected, and only serve the interests of the EU as a single block. The laws they propose do have to get passed elected officials, but the Commission is free to keep passing through similar laws until they get passed, which is similar to how they pushed through the rejected European Constitution as the Lisbon Treaty, despite the contents being similar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti... > "Ah, conspiracy theories." Ah, casual dismissal. If you want to see if there's any substance behind what I say, watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E

twblalock 10y ago
The Lisbon treaty was approved by the democratically elected governments of the EU member states, who represent their people. What's wrong with that? How can you possibly construe it as a non-democratic imposition by the commission?
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  The Lisbon Treaty was an attempt to push through changes that had already been put to the public vote and rejected. The proposal that was rejected was the European Constitution Treaty... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti... If it was important enough to be put to the public vote the first time, why was it not important enough to be put to the public vote the second time? Note that... "[The Constitutional Treaty] was later ratified by 18 member states, which included referendums endorsing it in Spain and Luxembourg. However the rejection of the document by French and Dutch voters in May and June 2005 brought the ratification process to an end. Following a period of reflection, the Treaty of Lisbon was created to replace the Constitutional Treaty. This contained many of the changes that were originally placed in the Constitutional Treaty but was formulated as amendments to the existing treaties. Signed on 13 December 2007, the Lisbon Treaty entered into force on 1 December 2009."
DanBC 10y ago
> > "Ah, conspiracy theories." > Ah, casual dismissal. If you want to see if there's any substance behind what I say, watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E When someone thinks you're pushing conspiracy theories you probably need to point them to a better source of information than this: https://tbunews.com/about-tbu-news/ https://tbunews.com/about-tbu-news/ One example of "science": https://tbunews.com/resonance-beings-of-frequency/ https://tbunews.com/resonance-beings-of-frequency/ Or this, about vaccines: https://tbunews.com/vaccines-cure-or-spread-disease/ https://tbunews.com/vaccines-cure-or-spread-disease/
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  What would you like me to prove? For example, here's the homepage of the European Round Table, the lobby group featured prominently in the documentary... http://www.ert.eu/ http://www.ert.eu/ There doesn't seem to be any denial of their position as a European lobby group... http://www.ert.eu/about-us http://www.ert.eu/about-us "ERT advocates policies at both national and European level, aimed at creating conditions necessary to improve European growth and jobs. ERT Members firmly believe that Europe’s prosperity depends on the competitiveness of the European economy, which in turn requires a sound, stable and well-managed political environment." Was there a particular claim in the documentary that you thought was far fetched?

twblalock 10y ago

The Lisbon treaty was approved by the democratically elected governments of the EU member states, who represent their people. What's wrong with that? How can you possibly construe it as a non-democratic imposition by the commission?

ZenoArrow 10y ago
The Lisbon Treaty was an attempt to push through changes that had already been put to the public vote and rejected. The proposal that was rejected was the European Constitution Treaty... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti... If it was important enough to be put to the public vote the first time, why was it not important enough to be put to the public vote the second time? Note that... "[The Constitutional Treaty] was later ratified by 18 member states, which included referendums endorsing it in Spain and Luxembourg. However the rejection of the document by French and Dutch voters in May and June 2005 brought the ratification process to an end. Following a period of reflection, the Treaty of Lisbon was created to replace the Constitutional Treaty. This contained many of the changes that were originally placed in the Constitutional Treaty but was formulated as amendments to the existing treaties. Signed on 13 December 2007, the Lisbon Treaty entered into force on 1 December 2009."

DanBC 10y ago

> > "Ah, conspiracy theories." > Ah, casual dismissal. If you want to see if there's any substance behind what I say, watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E When someone thinks you're pushing conspiracy theories you probably need to point them to a better source of information than this: https://tbunews.com/about-tbu-news/ https://tbunews.com/about-tbu-news/ One example of "science": https://tbunews.com/resonance-beings-of-frequency/ https://tbunews.com/resonance-beings-of-frequency/ Or this, about vaccines: https://tbunews.com/vaccines-cure-or-spread-disease/ https://tbunews.com/vaccines-cure-or-spread-disease/

ZenoArrow 10y ago
What would you like me to prove? For example, here's the homepage of the European Round Table, the lobby group featured prominently in the documentary... http://www.ert.eu/ http://www.ert.eu/ There doesn't seem to be any denial of their position as a European lobby group... http://www.ert.eu/about-us http://www.ert.eu/about-us "ERT advocates policies at both national and European level, aimed at creating conditions necessary to improve European growth and jobs. ERT Members firmly believe that Europe’s prosperity depends on the competitiveness of the European economy, which in turn requires a sound, stable and well-managed political environment." Was there a particular claim in the documentary that you thought was far fetched?