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“Tomorrow belongs to me”

38 points by bostik 10y ago

T-A 10y ago
JK Rowling beat him to it: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/746203541929234433 https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/746203541929234433
EwanG 10y ago
In case there's anyone out there who doesn't get the context that Charlie is alluding to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co
MrZongle2 10y ago
I love how this starts: "Okay, so the idiots did it; they broke the UK." Because that's how you promote understanding: by calling people with opposing views "idiots". And it goes downhill from there. What hysterical tripe.
- frandroid 10y ago
  After a whole hysterically racist campaign from the Leave camp turbo-charging towards the abyss? Why?
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  Would you like to take the high road and address the points he makes, instead of answering like with like?
  - MrZongle2 10y ago
    I'll address the only point that needs to be addressed, which was his absurd claim from the start. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is an idiot. Full stop. Any argument built upon the opposite assumption is flawed, emotional garbage.
    - MrZongle2 10y ago
      ...and two days later, I still stand by my statement.
  - emsy 10y ago
    The original article is full of insults. MrZongle2 pointed this out and said this doesn't promote understanding. How is this "like"?
ovt 10y ago
I like how he touches concisely on what brought this all about, what caused it to go as it did, and assorted effects it will have. I mean, as opposed to when we get links to articles from the atlantic or the new yorker where we fairly consistently have to wade through endless verbiage to get anything.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 10y ago
Idiots Goose stepping, hate filled morons Racist Demented Odious crypto-fascist These are just some the words used to describe people the author disagrees with. In addition, I find that the implication of the author that the people over 60 voted for Brexit due to dementia very offensive. Silicon Valley and the tech sector in general already have a poor track record on ageism and this type of stereotyping would not be tolerated for any other disenfranchised group.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > Silicon Valley and the tech sector in general already have a poor track record on ageism and this type of stereotyping would not be tolerated for any other disenfranchised group The author (Charlie Stross[1]) is not in the valley, and his tenuous link with the tech sector is as a Sci Fi author and ex-programmer (90's web payments). He is also Scottish in Scotland; I'll take his word about the UK/Brexit over yours. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cstross https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cstross
- kurttheviking 10y ago
  For the curious, like me... The Goose Step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5BIDjVza1s&feature=youtu.be&t=82 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5BIDjVza1s&feature=youtu.be...
- DanBC 10y ago
  > Odious crypto-fascist But that's about Farage, and it's pretty accurate reflection of what people think about him.
poof131 10y ago
“Okay, so the idiots did it; they broke the UK.” When this is your attitude toward your fellow countrymen and women of course it’s broken. A majority voted for something and they are “idiots”. Democracy is ugly, especially when the majority votes against what you think is best. Dismissing the rise of populism as “idiots” is about as smug and idiotic as it gets. Populism isn’t rising because people don’t know what’s good for them, but because people don’t think the current structure of the system is good for them. If you’re doing well in the current system, of course it seems stupid to vote against it. If you aren’t doing well, then any brick to throw at the glass house looks good. Populism and extreme nationalism is best kept at bay by a system that works for the majority of people, creating a strong “middle class”. That way fewer brick throwers exist. But lecturing people about “what’s best” for them or trotting out abstract economic figures and theories won’t do it, only forward economic progress will, where people believe the system works and they can move forward and not slide backwards. Most governments have tried to paste over issues with rhetoric, theories, and easy, central-bank money, all of which are only exacerbating the problems, not fixing them.
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  Charlie must have some like-minded friends on HN, judging by your downvotes. I wonder if they even bothered to read your entire post and think about its content, or if they simply read the beginning, considered you an "idiot", and downvoted.
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38 points by bostik 10y ago

T-A 10y ago

JK Rowling beat him to it: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/746203541929234433 https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/746203541929234433

EwanG 10y ago

In case there's anyone out there who doesn't get the context that Charlie is alluding to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co

MrZongle2 10y ago

I love how this starts: "Okay, so the idiots did it; they broke the UK." Because that's how you promote understanding: by calling people with opposing views "idiots". And it goes downhill from there. What hysterical tripe.

frandroid 10y ago
After a whole hysterically racist campaign from the Leave camp turbo-charging towards the abyss? Why?
pavel_lishin 10y ago
Would you like to take the high road and address the points he makes, instead of answering like with like?
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  I'll address the only point that needs to be addressed, which was his absurd claim from the start. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is an idiot. Full stop. Any argument built upon the opposite assumption is flawed, emotional garbage.
  - MrZongle2 10y ago
    ...and two days later, I still stand by my statement.
- emsy 10y ago
  The original article is full of insults. MrZongle2 pointed this out and said this doesn't promote understanding. How is this "like"?

ovt 10y ago

I like how he touches concisely on what brought this all about, what caused it to go as it did, and assorted effects it will have. I mean, as opposed to when we get links to articles from the atlantic or the new yorker where we fairly consistently have to wade through endless verbiage to get anything.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 10y ago

Idiots Goose stepping, hate filled morons Racist Demented Odious crypto-fascist These are just some the words used to describe people the author disagrees with. In addition, I find that the implication of the author that the people over 60 voted for Brexit due to dementia very offensive. Silicon Valley and the tech sector in general already have a poor track record on ageism and this type of stereotyping would not be tolerated for any other disenfranchised group.

sangnoir 10y ago
> Silicon Valley and the tech sector in general already have a poor track record on ageism and this type of stereotyping would not be tolerated for any other disenfranchised group The author (Charlie Stross[1]) is not in the valley, and his tenuous link with the tech sector is as a Sci Fi author and ex-programmer (90's web payments). He is also Scottish in Scotland; I'll take his word about the UK/Brexit over yours. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cstross https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cstross
kurttheviking 10y ago
For the curious, like me... The Goose Step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5BIDjVza1s&feature=youtu.be&t=82 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5BIDjVza1s&feature=youtu.be...
DanBC 10y ago
> Odious crypto-fascist But that's about Farage, and it's pretty accurate reflection of what people think about him.

poof131 10y ago

“Okay, so the idiots did it; they broke the UK.” When this is your attitude toward your fellow countrymen and women of course it’s broken. A majority voted for something and they are “idiots”. Democracy is ugly, especially when the majority votes against what you think is best. Dismissing the rise of populism as “idiots” is about as smug and idiotic as it gets. Populism isn’t rising because people don’t know what’s good for them, but because people don’t think the current structure of the system is good for them. If you’re doing well in the current system, of course it seems stupid to vote against it. If you aren’t doing well, then any brick to throw at the glass house looks good. Populism and extreme nationalism is best kept at bay by a system that works for the majority of people, creating a strong “middle class”. That way fewer brick throwers exist. But lecturing people about “what’s best” for them or trotting out abstract economic figures and theories won’t do it, only forward economic progress will, where people believe the system works and they can move forward and not slide backwards. Most governments have tried to paste over issues with rhetoric, theories, and easy, central-bank money, all of which are only exacerbating the problems, not fixing them.

MrZongle2 10y ago
Charlie must have some like-minded friends on HN, judging by your downvotes. I wonder if they even bothered to read your entire post and think about its content, or if they simply read the beginning, considered you an "idiot", and downvoted.
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