You interpreted my comments differently from how I intended them. I don't have my heart set to propagandize for either position. Not that this hasn't already be

You interpreted my comments differently from how I intended them. I don't have my heart set to propagandize for either position. Not that this hasn't already been decided with yesterday's vote anyway so opinions now are a moot point. >If we hadn't just voted to leave the EU. If they spin that around and welcome Scotland, which is a very real possibility, then I think they'll go independent. I see it more like, "you chose whether to toss your hat in with an independent Scotland, or with the UK". They chose the UK. So now if the UK is going independent, then that's also their fate. This was to be thought about before voting on the Scots indie vote, not now. It wasn't a vote on EU membership. That came later and everyone knew it was coming so no excuses. I pointed this out at the time, that Scots should consider how much they value the UK vs EU, because staying in the UK probably meant leaving the EU. Just because the wind blows another way tomorrow doesn't mean yesterday's decisions are invalidated. And it doesn't seem like honorable behavior. The choice was presented, and made. >But they'll not be a New Scotland. Scotland's pretty prosperous nowadays. NI not so much. I meant in a "bartering for the best deal" sense. Not that NI is economically trouncing Scotland. But Scotland is probably done bartering now that the Scot indie vote is spent. I'd rather be in NI right now, rather than Scotland trying to get a 2nd vote on independence, which in my view shouldn't be allowed. I think NI may be ready to simply join Ireland. That to me has always been the preferred arrangement. Ulster has always been kind of a ridiculous arrangement and Ireland should push to make their case for 'one Ireland'. Scotland, England and Wales would be best served staying together. >What I don't get is why the rural parts of England voted out. Westminster really couldn't give a shit about them. True, but I think Brussels gave even less of a shit. Smaller governments are easier to influence. > As far as I can tell, the whole economies of East Anglia and Wales are based on EU subsidies. Probably, that's called a bribe to shut people up and get them to sit down. Not a good situation. >It's (Norway) got a much smaller economy that's really quite reliant on oil (though they're working on that). I didn't mean economically. I just meant an independent, doing-well nation. It's not going to become Zaire and it's not going to become Switzerland either. But I do think it will do better standing alone than with the EU. The UK has plenty of strings to pull with the UKUSA Agreement anyway and the 5 members there and that pact is more powerful than the European one. The UK will be fine and better off overall. It seems like other than do-well Londoners, immigrants from the EU and mideast were the most against independence. They didn't care really about the UK. They wanted the cosmopolitan lifestyle (if wealthy) in the EU, or ability to bail on the UK when the economy was better elsewhere in the EU. I see the vote as a victory for the British. A failure for the elites of all nations and opportunists.