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I'm confused. Are you saying that Trump is not part of what you're calling the "Republic Elite"? Or that he's not part of the billionaire class? That he's not h

by cname 10y ago

I'm confused. Are you saying that Trump is not part of what you're calling the "Republic Elite"? Or that he's not part of the billionaire class? That he's not highly connected? Are you saying he actually cares about the working class? I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. He rubs shoulders with all kinds of rich, powerful, and connected people, including presidents. The idea that people are enamored with Trump because he represents their interests just doesn't add up. At the most, I can see how people might find his off-the-wall antics and constant flip-flopping somewhat entertaining, but surely that's not a good reason to put him office.

krapp 10y ago
>I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. It's because Trump is politically incorrect. He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory and makes jokes about his dick size and most importantly, when he speaks, he doesn't come off as being more informed or articulate than his supporters. All it takes for a politician to convince Americans they're not part of the "elite," is to act like a convincing caricature of "the common man."
- areyousure 10y ago
  > He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory This comment baffles me, because one of the most consistent aspects of Trump's image is always being in a suit and tie. I just searched for "Donald Trump" on Google Images. Nearly every picture has him in a suit and tie. The first wherein he was visibly not wearing a tie or bowtie was #70 (but he was still in a suit). #139 was the second picture lacking a tie (but still in a suit). #176 was the first picture featuring a person without a suit, but it was Michael Moore alongside Donald Trump (still in a suit and tie). #551 was the first image where he was not in a suit, but it was a caricature drawing. #603 was the first photo of Donald Trump where he was not in a suit; it was this picture: http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/jacksontrump.jpg http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/... #693 was the second and only other picture in the first 700: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025e62f2-480/donald-trump-playing-golf.jpg http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025... It seems to me that Trump always wears a suit, except when he's golfing, and is always wearing a collared shirt. I'd be happy to see a picture where "he dresses like [he] just got off shift at the factory".
  - pessimizer 10y ago
    It's part of the elite narrative about what confuses rubes, so Trump must dress that way. The reason people are voting for Trump is because he's as openly racist as the Republicans have gotten so far. This is the same reason why Democrats haven't won whites since Kennedy. The question is whether Trump's supporters will suspect that his newly found overtly racist anti-establishment stance is a deception before the election and not turn out, or whether Hillary will make enough Democrats sick that they won't turn out.
  - krapp 10y ago
    Wow. Apparently you went through the effort of checking 700 photos and indexing them one by one just to disprove one sentence out of my comment. That's true dedication to the cause. I guess you're right though - I went a bit too far on that. I could swear I remember him dressing down for a number of interviews but I can't actually find pictures of it so mea culpa.
davidf18 10y ago
Trump is very wealthy and he rubs shoulders with the elite in our country, but he is certainly not a member of the Republican Elite which includes people like Paul Ryan, Republican Wall Street billionaires such as Paul Singer, and most of the Republican candidates that Trump beat (Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, ....). The Republican Elite did not listen to suffering of the Republican electorate which is why they lost to Trump. Somewhere along the way, the Republic Elite lost sight of the fact that it is policies that appeal to voters than win elections and not donations from the wealthy. Eric Cantor was the second most powerful person in The House of Representatives until he lost the primary to a political unknown. He lost because Republicans do not want illegal immigration. They are not against immigration but believe that people should only immigrate legally. Cantor did not listen to his voters and he lost. Remarkably, the Republican Elite ignored this loss and backed illegal immigration. Only Trump came out against illegal immigration. The Republican Elite are so out of touch and this country deserves better leadership from the "Party of Lincoln."

by cname 10y ago

krapp 10y ago

>I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. It's because Trump is politically incorrect. He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory and makes jokes about his dick size and most importantly, when he speaks, he doesn't come off as being more informed or articulate than his supporters. All it takes for a politician to convince Americans they're not part of the "elite," is to act like a convincing caricature of "the common man."

areyousure 10y ago
> He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory This comment baffles me, because one of the most consistent aspects of Trump's image is always being in a suit and tie. I just searched for "Donald Trump" on Google Images. Nearly every picture has him in a suit and tie. The first wherein he was visibly not wearing a tie or bowtie was #70 (but he was still in a suit). #139 was the second picture lacking a tie (but still in a suit). #176 was the first picture featuring a person without a suit, but it was Michael Moore alongside Donald Trump (still in a suit and tie). #551 was the first image where he was not in a suit, but it was a caricature drawing. #603 was the first photo of Donald Trump where he was not in a suit; it was this picture: http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/jacksontrump.jpg http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/... #693 was the second and only other picture in the first 700: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025e62f2-480/donald-trump-playing-golf.jpg http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025... It seems to me that Trump always wears a suit, except when he's golfing, and is always wearing a collared shirt. I'd be happy to see a picture where "he dresses like [he] just got off shift at the factory".
- pessimizer 10y ago
  It's part of the elite narrative about what confuses rubes, so Trump must dress that way. The reason people are voting for Trump is because he's as openly racist as the Republicans have gotten so far. This is the same reason why Democrats haven't won whites since Kennedy. The question is whether Trump's supporters will suspect that his newly found overtly racist anti-establishment stance is a deception before the election and not turn out, or whether Hillary will make enough Democrats sick that they won't turn out.
- krapp 10y ago
  Wow. Apparently you went through the effort of checking 700 photos and indexing them one by one just to disprove one sentence out of my comment. That's true dedication to the cause. I guess you're right though - I went a bit too far on that. I could swear I remember him dressing down for a number of interviews but I can't actually find pictures of it so mea culpa.

davidf18 10y ago

Trump is very wealthy and he rubs shoulders with the elite in our country, but he is certainly not a member of the Republican Elite which includes people like Paul Ryan, Republican Wall Street billionaires such as Paul Singer, and most of the Republican candidates that Trump beat (Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, ....). The Republican Elite did not listen to suffering of the Republican electorate which is why they lost to Trump. Somewhere along the way, the Republic Elite lost sight of the fact that it is policies that appeal to voters than win elections and not donations from the wealthy. Eric Cantor was the second most powerful person in The House of Representatives until he lost the primary to a political unknown. He lost because Republicans do not want illegal immigration. They are not against immigration but believe that people should only immigrate legally. Cantor did not listen to his voters and he lost. Remarkably, the Republican Elite ignored this loss and backed illegal immigration. Only Trump came out against illegal immigration. The Republican Elite are so out of touch and this country deserves better leadership from the "Party of Lincoln."