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>that's largely why Switzerland and the Scandinavian states get accolades from U.S. politicians (not as much division.) I have to disagree with you. I have a l

>that's largely why Switzerland and the Scandinavian states get accolades from U.S. politicians (not as much division.) I have to disagree with you. I have a lot of friends in Sweden that do nothing but complain about the immigration crisis they are facing. In fact one of my Swedish friends is here in the US now looking for a job because immigration has become such an issue in Sweden. She can name many immigrants she knows that are collecting more in welfare from the Swedish Government than what a Doctor makes... That's kinda fucked up if you ask me...

partiallypro 10y ago
I don't disagree with you in terms of -now-, I mean historically. The Syrian refugee crisis has changed demographics in Europe in a way that I don't think we've yet seen the full ramifications of.
- tdkl 10y ago
  Oh we do, it's just you're called out as racist when you point it out.
  - tangled_zans 10y ago
    See, that kind of comments don't contribute anything to the conversation. All you're doing is portraying yourself as a victim and hijacking the issue back into the bullshit "are we too pc" debate again, which quite frankly most people are already sick of.
    - jonwachob91 10y ago
      In Sweden: Swedish citizens really are the victims and their society has become too PC. It's not like here in the US. If you hang a Swedish flag outside of your house you are automatically deemed a racist by your community. ANY semblance of pro-sweden is viewed as unfair by the immigrant community because they aren't swedish, because they aren't included. They've create a culture of everyone is a victim, citizens and immigrants. It's really a fucked up situation. A situation I hope never comes to the US.
geon 10y ago
> She can name many immigrants she knows that are collecting more in welfare from the Swedish Government than what a Doctor makes... Really? I have seen plenty of claims like that, and every time, they turn out to be false. And how much exactly does a "doctor" make? Lönestatistik.se lists between 12k and 180k SEK/month. Quite a span.
tangled_zans 10y ago
So your friend can't get a job because... there are immigrants who are collecting more in welfare than doctors? Is that how welfare works now? You've somehow managed to put the phrase "they're stealing both our jobs AND our welfare" unironically in the same sentence, kudos.

partiallypro 10y ago

I don't disagree with you in terms of -now-, I mean historically. The Syrian refugee crisis has changed demographics in Europe in a way that I don't think we've yet seen the full ramifications of.

tdkl 10y ago
Oh we do, it's just you're called out as racist when you point it out.
- tangled_zans 10y ago
  See, that kind of comments don't contribute anything to the conversation. All you're doing is portraying yourself as a victim and hijacking the issue back into the bullshit "are we too pc" debate again, which quite frankly most people are already sick of.
  - jonwachob91 10y ago
    In Sweden: Swedish citizens really are the victims and their society has become too PC. It's not like here in the US. If you hang a Swedish flag outside of your house you are automatically deemed a racist by your community. ANY semblance of pro-sweden is viewed as unfair by the immigrant community because they aren't swedish, because they aren't included. They've create a culture of everyone is a victim, citizens and immigrants. It's really a fucked up situation. A situation I hope never comes to the US.

geon 10y ago

> She can name many immigrants she knows that are collecting more in welfare from the Swedish Government than what a Doctor makes... Really? I have seen plenty of claims like that, and every time, they turn out to be false. And how much exactly does a "doctor" make? Lönestatistik.se lists between 12k and 180k SEK/month. Quite a span.

tangled_zans 10y ago

So your friend can't get a job because... there are immigrants who are collecting more in welfare than doctors? Is that how welfare works now? You've somehow managed to put the phrase "they're stealing both our jobs AND our welfare" unironically in the same sentence, kudos.