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It seems like there's a large possibility that this will be the beginning of the dismantling of the UK. Scotland is likely to have a second independence referen

It seems like there's a large possibility that this will be the beginning of the dismantling of the UK. Scotland is likely to have a second independence referendum and Sinn Fein is calling for a referendum for Northern Ireland to unify with Ireland. London seceding, however, seems unlikely.

nextos 10y ago
I think Brexit supporters are not aware of the consequences of their vote. UK had a pretty good deal with EU. Now, securing a trade deal similar to that of Norway will require also accepting freedom of movement, whose termination was one of the main arguments used by Brexit campaigners. The science & tech sector is gonna get hit badly. Some of my British colleagues here in Cambridge are very upset and considering to move out. For young progressive people, it's pretty dramatic to see a big regression in your own country I guess. The Guardian is registering some of their opinions, and they are pretty heart-breaking: http://the75percent.tumblr.com/ http://the75percent.tumblr.com/ I imagine the finance sector, which fuels most London economy will get a big hit too. Also, I have a hard time understanding how Brexit voters, who have a vision of a strong UK, did not factor in a more than likely split-up with Scotland after this. Very disturbing. It seems overly easy to trick masses into acting irrationally.
- pinaceae 10y ago
  Morgan Stanley is moving 2000 employees/jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt, away from London. Announced today.
  - alayne 10y ago
    Doesn't seem to be true: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/morgan-stanley-denies-report-it-started-moving-staff-from-london http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/morgan-sta...
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- billyjobob 10y ago
  Most of those posts seem to be from kids in their 20s. I'm sure they think they know what they're talking about but the reality is I wouldn't trust a 20 year old to wipe his ass properly let alone decide what is best for the future of the country.
  - Zenst 10y ago
    The people who voted out were mostly the children who's parents voted into this EU, well an entuirly different beast and indeed much changed and not as many feel for the good. Also many who voted remain wanted the EU to reform and people have been hoping for that for decades and nothing improved alas. Now they have an opportunity to listen to the people instead of dismissing those who do not fully agree with them and step away from this label and dismissal of issues.
    - billyjobob 10y ago
      UK joined the EU in 1993. There was no referendum on that. If there had been, people would have voted to continue in the ECC but not to join the EU.
      - Zenst 10y ago
        1975 was last time we had a say in this matter http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/newsid_2499000/2499297.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/news...
blowski 10y ago
Actually, I don't think it will. I can't see Scotland winning a referendum in the short run given the price of oil. The EU is unlikely to accept Scotland as member states won't want to encourage their own secessionist regions. That said, all predictions about the future right now should be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody predicted this result, and nobpdy has a clue what comes next.
- merraksh 10y ago
  The EU is unlikely to accept Scotland as member states won't want to encourage their own secessionist regions. I would understand the need to discourage secession of regions who would then leave the EU, however the EU has an incentive to accept Scotland because its secession would be the first step towards restoring EU membership.
  - blowski 10y ago
    It requires all members to agree but it's hard to imagine Spain saying 'yes' under any terms.
- k__ 10y ago
  The EU needs richer countries. If they can get the north of the UK without the "haters" in the south, they will grab it.
knackernews 10y ago
I hope the UK remains stable and grows even after leaving the EU. It's sad to see the most common sentiment among remain voters is to hope everything about the UK will crash and burn because results weren't what they expected.
- blowski 10y ago
  My thoughts exactly. To be honest, I'll be surprised if we do actually leave the EU. Even the staunchest leavers seemed a bit worried this morning about what happens next. In the short run, things will be bad. In the long run, nobody has any idea. It's the medium term where the real threats lie - how long it takes to leave, what terms we get from the EU, and how eager the rest of the world is to set up direct relationships with us. I'm not going to rule out that the EU will see this as such an existential threat that they will change enough that a future government will be able to make the case for staying in after all. I know that Juncker said no to that, but today has made his position untenable as well.

nextos 10y ago

I think Brexit supporters are not aware of the consequences of their vote. UK had a pretty good deal with EU. Now, securing a trade deal similar to that of Norway will require also accepting freedom of movement, whose termination was one of the main arguments used by Brexit campaigners. The science & tech sector is gonna get hit badly. Some of my British colleagues here in Cambridge are very upset and considering to move out. For young progressive people, it's pretty dramatic to see a big regression in your own country I guess. The Guardian is registering some of their opinions, and they are pretty heart-breaking: http://the75percent.tumblr.com/ http://the75percent.tumblr.com/ I imagine the finance sector, which fuels most London economy will get a big hit too. Also, I have a hard time understanding how Brexit voters, who have a vision of a strong UK, did not factor in a more than likely split-up with Scotland after this. Very disturbing. It seems overly easy to trick masses into acting irrationally.

pinaceae 10y ago
Morgan Stanley is moving 2000 employees/jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt, away from London. Announced today.
- alayne 10y ago
  Doesn't seem to be true: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/morgan-stanley-denies-report-it-started-moving-staff-from-london http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/morgan-sta...
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billyjobob 10y ago
Most of those posts seem to be from kids in their 20s. I'm sure they think they know what they're talking about but the reality is I wouldn't trust a 20 year old to wipe his ass properly let alone decide what is best for the future of the country.
- Zenst 10y ago
  The people who voted out were mostly the children who's parents voted into this EU, well an entuirly different beast and indeed much changed and not as many feel for the good. Also many who voted remain wanted the EU to reform and people have been hoping for that for decades and nothing improved alas. Now they have an opportunity to listen to the people instead of dismissing those who do not fully agree with them and step away from this label and dismissal of issues.
  - billyjobob 10y ago
    UK joined the EU in 1993. There was no referendum on that. If there had been, people would have voted to continue in the ECC but not to join the EU.
    - Zenst 10y ago
      1975 was last time we had a say in this matter http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/newsid_2499000/2499297.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/news...

blowski 10y ago

Actually, I don't think it will. I can't see Scotland winning a referendum in the short run given the price of oil. The EU is unlikely to accept Scotland as member states won't want to encourage their own secessionist regions. That said, all predictions about the future right now should be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody predicted this result, and nobpdy has a clue what comes next.

merraksh 10y ago
The EU is unlikely to accept Scotland as member states won't want to encourage their own secessionist regions. I would understand the need to discourage secession of regions who would then leave the EU, however the EU has an incentive to accept Scotland because its secession would be the first step towards restoring EU membership.
- blowski 10y ago
  It requires all members to agree but it's hard to imagine Spain saying 'yes' under any terms.
k__ 10y ago
The EU needs richer countries. If they can get the north of the UK without the "haters" in the south, they will grab it.

knackernews 10y ago

I hope the UK remains stable and grows even after leaving the EU. It's sad to see the most common sentiment among remain voters is to hope everything about the UK will crash and burn because results weren't what they expected.

blowski 10y ago
My thoughts exactly. To be honest, I'll be surprised if we do actually leave the EU. Even the staunchest leavers seemed a bit worried this morning about what happens next. In the short run, things will be bad. In the long run, nobody has any idea. It's the medium term where the real threats lie - how long it takes to leave, what terms we get from the EU, and how eager the rest of the world is to set up direct relationships with us. I'm not going to rule out that the EU will see this as such an existential threat that they will change enough that a future government will be able to make the case for staying in after all. I know that Juncker said no to that, but today has made his position untenable as well.