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>Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects. This comes up all the time, especially in "Why can't the US do X?" discussions bu

>Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects. This comes up all the time, especially in "Why can't the US do X?" discussions but isn't it just the equivalent of shouting down with "That will never scale!" Of course it might not be exactly the same. Maybe the bigger country will need more servers spun up or a tweaked algorithm (to continue the analogy), but just saying a country is smaller doesn't mean things are a No before even being tried. I'm assuming there were railroads across other smaller countries before the US had the transcontinental railroad too.

jessaustin 10y ago
Maybe the bigger nation just shouldn't be so big?
- xenophonf 10y ago
  Hence, the "states" part of "United States".
gshulegaard 10y ago
It was my understanding that the effectiveness of direct democracies has been inversely related to size of population throughout history... So, specifically in the context of discussing direct democracy, size does matter.
- 27182818284 10y ago
  That is a good point, but, how many of those democracies took place in the era of fast communication by locomotive, telegraph, email, SMS, the long distance phone call, Skype, and others? Surely there is a difference between the Roman Empire being stretched and sending messages by foot and FDR addressing the US by radio.
  - gshulegaard 10y ago
    This is a fair point, but the largest issue (IMO) wasn't directly related to communication time...rather it has been the risk of Tyranny of the Majority. Even in the relatively recent founding history of the United States, the Federalist Papers discuss and try to address a variety of issues which can lead to this outcome. And ultimately, I think this is what we see with the Brexit outcome and the current Trump campaign in the US. These aren't "new" concepts...throughout history we can see similar outcomes for similar events with similar reasons. You raise an excellent point though, which is with the ease of communication in the modern era, why don't we have a more informed public? This is something I have thought about trying to tackle with a side dev project...but the issue is complex and difficult to address directly. Side note, I believe the Roman Empire was a Republic, not a Direct Democracy :)
    - akiselev 10y ago
      Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate.
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        > Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate. Nit pick: the Roman Empire, in one sense, was founded while Rome was still ruled by the Republic; in this sense, the Empire is the metropole-periphery arrangement with Rome proper ruling as the metropole and the various provinces as peripheries. In the other sense (the sense of the Empire as a form of government within the Rome rather than the relation between Rome and the provinces), the Roman Empire was founded when Caesar Augustus was granted a variety of lifetime powers by the Senate. In either sense, it was not founded by (or during the life of) Julius Caesar.

jessaustin 10y ago

Maybe the bigger nation just shouldn't be so big?

xenophonf 10y ago
Hence, the "states" part of "United States".

gshulegaard 10y ago

It was my understanding that the effectiveness of direct democracies has been inversely related to size of population throughout history... So, specifically in the context of discussing direct democracy, size does matter.

27182818284 10y ago
That is a good point, but, how many of those democracies took place in the era of fast communication by locomotive, telegraph, email, SMS, the long distance phone call, Skype, and others? Surely there is a difference between the Roman Empire being stretched and sending messages by foot and FDR addressing the US by radio.
- gshulegaard 10y ago
  This is a fair point, but the largest issue (IMO) wasn't directly related to communication time...rather it has been the risk of Tyranny of the Majority. Even in the relatively recent founding history of the United States, the Federalist Papers discuss and try to address a variety of issues which can lead to this outcome. And ultimately, I think this is what we see with the Brexit outcome and the current Trump campaign in the US. These aren't "new" concepts...throughout history we can see similar outcomes for similar events with similar reasons. You raise an excellent point though, which is with the ease of communication in the modern era, why don't we have a more informed public? This is something I have thought about trying to tackle with a side dev project...but the issue is complex and difficult to address directly. Side note, I believe the Roman Empire was a Republic, not a Direct Democracy :)
  - akiselev 10y ago
    Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > Nit pick: the Roman Empire was founded after the Roman Republic, when Julius Caesar overthrew the senate. Nit pick: the Roman Empire, in one sense, was founded while Rome was still ruled by the Republic; in this sense, the Empire is the metropole-periphery arrangement with Rome proper ruling as the metropole and the various provinces as peripheries. In the other sense (the sense of the Empire as a form of government within the Rome rather than the relation between Rome and the provinces), the Roman Empire was founded when Caesar Augustus was granted a variety of lifetime powers by the Senate. In either sense, it was not founded by (or during the life of) Julius Caesar.