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Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects.

runako 10y ago
This is a curious claim, so I did a little checking. It turns out that Switzerland is smaller than the Los Angeles metro area both in GDP and population.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Are you sure? It seems it's comparable in size, but not smaller Take a look http://mapfrappe.com/?show=40241 http://mapfrappe.com/?show=40241 (it's a rough sketch of Switzerland but the size should be right) Edit: yes, I think parent meant population, not actual size
  - runako 10y ago
    You're right that Switzerland is physically bigger than the LA metro area. I didn't compare land masses. Edit: Also, Wikipedia is possibly a better source for comparing sizes of landmasses.
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27182818284 10y ago
>Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects. This comes up all the time, especially in "Why can't the US do X?" discussions but isn't it just the equivalent of shouting down with "That will never scale!" Of course it might not be exactly the same. Maybe the bigger country will need more servers spun up or a tweaked algorithm (to continue the analogy), but just saying a country is smaller doesn't mean things are a No before even being tried. I'm assuming there were railroads across other smaller countries before the US had the transcontinental railroad too.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Maybe the bigger nation just shouldn't be so big?
  - xenophonf 10y ago
    Hence, the "states" part of "United States".
- gshulegaard 10y ago
  It was my understanding that the effectiveness of direct democracies has been inversely related to size of population throughout history... So, specifically in the context of discussing direct democracy, size does matter.
  - 27182818284 10y ago
    That is a good point, but, how many of those democracies took place in the era of fast communication by locomotive, telegraph, email, SMS, the long distance phone call, Skype, and others? Surely there is a difference between the Roman Empire being stretched and sending messages by foot and FDR addressing the US by radio.
    - gshulegaard 10y ago
      This is a fair point, but the largest issue (IMO) wasn't directly related to communication time...rather it has been the risk of Tyranny of the Majority. Even in the relatively recent founding history of the United States, the Federalist Papers discuss and try to address a variety of issues which can lead to this outcome. And ultimately, I think this is what we see with the Brexit outcome and the current Trump campaign in the US. These aren't "new" concepts...throughout history we can see similar outcomes for similar events with similar reasons. You raise an excellent point though, which is with the ease of communication in the modern era, why don't we have a more informed public? This is something I have thought about trying to tackle with a side dev project...but the issue is complex and difficult to address directly. Side note, I believe the Roman Empire was a Republic, not a Direct Democracy :)
imglorp 10y ago
Switzerland also has a much higher literacy rate. That makes it a lot easier to get an intelligent decision from the public. LA for example is only about 66 percent: http://www.laalmanac.com/education/ed33a.htm http://www.laalmanac.com/education/ed33a.htm

This is a curious claim, so I did a little checking. It turns out that Switzerland is smaller than the Los Angeles metro area both in GDP and population.

raverbashing 10y ago
Are you sure? It seems it's comparable in size, but not smaller Take a look http://mapfrappe.com/?show=40241 http://mapfrappe.com/?show=40241 (it's a rough sketch of Switzerland but the size should be right) Edit: yes, I think parent meant population, not actual size
- runako 10y ago
  You're right that Switzerland is physically bigger than the LA metro area. I didn't compare land masses. Edit: Also, Wikipedia is possibly a better source for comparing sizes of landmasses.
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27182818284 10y ago

>Switzerland is also much smaller than the UK or California in most respects. This comes up all the time, especially in "Why can't the US do X?" discussions but isn't it just the equivalent of shouting down with "That will never scale!" Of course it might not be exactly the same. Maybe the bigger country will need more servers spun up or a tweaked algorithm (to continue the analogy), but just saying a country is smaller doesn't mean things are a No before even being tried. I'm assuming there were railroads across other smaller countries before the US had the transcontinental railroad too.

jessaustin 10y ago
Maybe the bigger nation just shouldn't be so big?
- xenophonf 10y ago
  Hence, the "states" part of "United States".
gshulegaard 10y ago
It was my understanding that the effectiveness of direct democracies has been inversely related to size of population throughout history... So, specifically in the context of discussing direct democracy, size does matter.
- 27182818284 10y ago
  That is a good point, but, how many of those democracies took place in the era of fast communication by locomotive, telegraph, email, SMS, the long distance phone call, Skype, and others? Surely there is a difference between the Roman Empire being stretched and sending messages by foot and FDR addressing the US by radio.
  - gshulegaard 10y ago
    This is a fair point, but the largest issue (IMO) wasn't directly related to communication time...rather it has been the risk of Tyranny of the Majority. Even in the relatively recent founding history of the United States, the Federalist Papers discuss and try to address a variety of issues which can lead to this outcome. And ultimately, I think this is what we see with the Brexit outcome and the current Trump campaign in the US. These aren't "new" concepts...throughout history we can see similar outcomes for similar events with similar reasons. You raise an excellent point though, which is with the ease of communication in the modern era, why don't we have a more informed public? This is something I have thought about trying to tackle with a side dev project...but the issue is complex and difficult to address directly. Side note, I believe the Roman Empire was a Republic, not a Direct Democracy :)

imglorp 10y ago

Switzerland also has a much higher literacy rate. That makes it a lot easier to get an intelligent decision from the public. LA for example is only about 66 percent: http://www.laalmanac.com/education/ed33a.htm http://www.laalmanac.com/education/ed33a.htm