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If this is for real... It is really sad. I understood that xenophobia was the main reason Great Britain wanted to get out of EU, which is also sad.

by Maydowf 10y ago

TearsInTheRain 10y ago
It's absolutely dishonest and dismissive to say that xenophobia is the main reason they want to leave, and that attitude is what pushed people to vote leave
- ohitsdom 10y ago
  > that attitude is what pushed people to vote leave People thinking that the Leave camp was xenophobic pushed Britains to vote Leave?
  - UK-AL 10y ago
    Establishment people assuming this was the reason.
  - Zenst 10y ago
    Correct, after all had too much from the so called left wing just dismissing the people's concerns via just labeling and dismissing the people and ignoring the concerns. After all when has picking out the few individuals and projecting that upon the many ever worked out well? As that is discrimination and too what agenda. To project the migrational bias for Europeans at the expense of allowing people from other countries to come to the UK. That if anything is more xenophobic and discriminatory in nature than the leave side and sadly seems more common with those who wanted to remain. But been way to much name calling by pro-EU groups and indeed the EU leaders themselves over the years and to what effect. Highlighting they are not only out of touch with the people but happily ignore them. how else can one explain why as a European I have yet to find one person in favour of TTIP and that alone indicates the EU listerns to corporations and ignores the people more than anything and that needs to change, to reform and improve. The EU now has an opportunity to improve itself for the betterment of the people or it can carry on with its model of alienating the people it supposedly serves.
Zpalmtree 10y ago
Wanting a sensible immigration policy or control over your laws is not xenophobia. The idea that half the country is racist is absurd, and downright insulting. There's a reason people voted leave, and part of it is due to both labour and conservatives constantly ignoring the working class's issues over immigration, dismissing them as racist. You reap what you sow.
- googletazer 10y ago
  Pretty much - Brexit is a push to (slightly) tilt the British labor market to the advantage of the common British man - lower and middle class people who work for wages. Less workers from Spain/Eastern Europe will re-balance the market towards higher wages for Brits. For the elites that will mean less profits so naturally they are opposed. If they were smart and played their game well, they would have slightly hiked the wages previously, thus opened some steam valves. I read the guardian (as liberal as it gets), and vast majority of leave comments pointed to stagnating or decreasing standards of living as the cause. Either way, democracy worked as intended.

If this is for real... It is really sad. I understood that xenophobia was the main reason Great Britain wanted to get out of EU, which is also sad.

by Maydowf 10y ago

If this is for real... It is really sad. I understood that xenophobia was the main reason Great Britain wanted to get out of EU, which is also sad.

TearsInTheRain 10y ago

It's absolutely dishonest and dismissive to say that xenophobia is the main reason they want to leave, and that attitude is what pushed people to vote leave

ohitsdom 10y ago
> that attitude is what pushed people to vote leave People thinking that the Leave camp was xenophobic pushed Britains to vote Leave?
- UK-AL 10y ago
  Establishment people assuming this was the reason.
- Zenst 10y ago
  Correct, after all had too much from the so called left wing just dismissing the people's concerns via just labeling and dismissing the people and ignoring the concerns. After all when has picking out the few individuals and projecting that upon the many ever worked out well? As that is discrimination and too what agenda. To project the migrational bias for Europeans at the expense of allowing people from other countries to come to the UK. That if anything is more xenophobic and discriminatory in nature than the leave side and sadly seems more common with those who wanted to remain. But been way to much name calling by pro-EU groups and indeed the EU leaders themselves over the years and to what effect. Highlighting they are not only out of touch with the people but happily ignore them. how else can one explain why as a European I have yet to find one person in favour of TTIP and that alone indicates the EU listerns to corporations and ignores the people more than anything and that needs to change, to reform and improve. The EU now has an opportunity to improve itself for the betterment of the people or it can carry on with its model of alienating the people it supposedly serves.

Zpalmtree 10y ago

Wanting a sensible immigration policy or control over your laws is not xenophobia. The idea that half the country is racist is absurd, and downright insulting. There's a reason people voted leave, and part of it is due to both labour and conservatives constantly ignoring the working class's issues over immigration, dismissing them as racist. You reap what you sow.

googletazer 10y ago
Pretty much - Brexit is a push to (slightly) tilt the British labor market to the advantage of the common British man - lower and middle class people who work for wages. Less workers from Spain/Eastern Europe will re-balance the market towards higher wages for Brits. For the elites that will mean less profits so naturally they are opposed. If they were smart and played their game well, they would have slightly hiked the wages previously, thus opened some steam valves. I read the guardian (as liberal as it gets), and vast majority of leave comments pointed to stagnating or decreasing standards of living as the cause. Either way, democracy worked as intended.