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The English, even to this present day, are not known for being benevolent masters... but they are known for being violent ones, who will stop at nothing to sati

by Annatar 10y ago

The English, even to this present day, are not known for being benevolent masters... but they are known for being violent ones, who will stop at nothing to satisfy their short term interests. How many nations have the English downtrodden? How many do they still try to intimidate, bluff, or put pressure on, even as ordinary citizens in management positions? Of small comfort then, is the fact that the English have abolished slavery in 1833. To put it poetically, with one hand I embrace you, with another I stick my blade into your throat, while my boot tramples on your broken body, that's the portrayal one might construct from history and contemporary actions and thinking of the English. And "the commonwealth", oh my! Australia was a penal colony, of, you guessed it, the English. Not the Scottish, not the Welsh, not the Irish (Irish were busy being downtrodden, Scottish were busy massively emigrating because they were poor, while London threw galant parties, and the Welsh were trying to muster every bit of strength and intellect they could, so as not to be assimilated), and New Zealand... oh yes, in "the commonwealth", but not before the English killed a good number of Maori, isn't it? And then, we didn't even touch upon the mess that the English caused in India, or in Africa (Zulus really "got theirs" from the English, didn't they?), or the mess on the Bosphorus, or the "Arabian question of Palestine", the consequences of which the world is still suffering from today, with all the strife going on in Palestine... ah yes, our English, everybody else in Europe drives on the right, except in Anglo-Saxon lands, where it's of course the opposite... everybody else is on the metric system because it's practical, except for the English, who still scoff at that non-Imperial nonsense from Bruxelles, our "special Petunias", with their "traditions", who view the rest of EU citizens as immigrants... with such friends, who needs enemies? As sad as I am that the English have decided to ruin it once again for everybody, I say: if the English think the standards shouldn't apply to them, if they think that they are special, well good riddance, and stay out of EU.

hartpuff 10y ago
> they are known for being violent ones Which imperialist was the non-violent one then? > Of small comfort then, is the fact that the English have abolished slavery in 1833. I imagine it was a major comfort to slaves at that time. But you probably know better. > And "the commonwealth", oh my! Oh my, indeed. Perhaps you can name another country, perhaps your own undoubtedly spotless nation, that has over 50 former colonies, comprising two billion people across six continents, happily and willingly belonging to such a commonwealth. Pretty strange thing for them to do, considering all the evil the British Empire committed non-stop, 24/7. > we didn't even touch the mess that the English caused in India The mess of leaving it as the world's largest democracy? (By population, that is. By size it just so happens to be another former colony of the British monsters.) In fact if we make a short list of the most advanced/stable/richest/democratic former colonies in the world, we'll probably find it does not include the likes of Vietnam, Algeria, Congo, Mexico or the Philippines, but does include the likes of the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong, India. Funny that. > you think that you are special, well good riddance, and stay out of EU How is it special to be outside of the EU? Most countries in the world are.
- Annatar 10y ago
  > Which imperialist was the non-violent one then? Well that's the jolly old clinch, isn't it? Every imperialist was violent, and the English are an empire, and as I am both want and compelled to agree with your so astutely observed argument, I'm afraid I have no recourse but to concur with you that the English are violent. Yes, yes, very well put, old chap, I say! > Perhaps you can name another country, perhaps your own > undoubtedly spotless nation, My nation was never an empire, and it protected Europe for hundreds of years from marauders, rapists, murderers and especially from religious fanatics, and amazingly enough continues to do so even today. Not only that, but my nation paid the price of Europe not writing in or speaking Arabic or Turkish for that matter, and with a sizeable portion of her own territory, visible in the country's unique border, unlike any in Europe today. Not even the mighty British empire can claim such a feat. Oh, and while we were bleeding our hearts and bodies out for Europe, the English were sitting on their island, but they didn't come to help until 1914, and then they only came because they saw their own interest in it, and then they made a mess of things... everything that we had fought so hard to preserve across almost six centuries, they have destroyed on the altair of their own short-term interest in the span of a few decades. In one fell swoop, it was the British who decided to sell us into slavery as thanks for protecting Europe. In most recent history, while we were being brutally raped and slaughtered, tortured by being beaten with iron bars, or electrodes and high current put through the testicles of our people, while we cried for help, it was the British who had sided with those who did this to us, while they were doing it, and purposely delayed any action of the European Union while this was taking place. Jolly good, that! And yet, even though we dislike them, and we do not trust them, we bear the English no ill will and will continue to protect Europe as we have always done. That is the ethical and moral high ground which not even the mighty British empire can claim. To subjugate, to murder, to plunder, yes, but not to protect as we will continue to do, even those who have done us wrong. And while my nation isn't spotless, it feels pretty good to be the protector rather than all these other things that the English have wrought upon the world. Yep, life is great. > that has over 50 former colonies, The Sun never sets on the British empire, isn't that how the saying goes? It is not a point to be argued in favor of one's honor, but of one's eternal shame at subjugating, murdering and stealing from others over the span of several centuries. > The mess of leaving it as the world's largest democracy? It's grossly impolite, to the point of not minding one's p's and q's, to imply that the English are somehow deserving for establishment of democracy in India, an honor that history has recorded as going to one Mahatma Gandhi. It would be awful, just horrid, don't you agree, to claim someone else's accomplishment as one's own, wouldn't it? I mean that would strike at the core of the good old proper British values, almost bordering on the waffling, wouldn't it now?
Chris2048 10y ago
Voted down for attempting to mimic/mock British slang in an insulting manner.
- Annatar 10y ago
  Thank you kindly, I will take your comment as a compliment, and also, I am up-voting this comment of yours, as a token of my appreciation.
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11968882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11968882 and marked it off-topic.

by Annatar 10y ago

hartpuff 10y ago

> they are known for being violent ones Which imperialist was the non-violent one then? > Of small comfort then, is the fact that the English have abolished slavery in 1833. I imagine it was a major comfort to slaves at that time. But you probably know better. > And "the commonwealth", oh my! Oh my, indeed. Perhaps you can name another country, perhaps your own undoubtedly spotless nation, that has over 50 former colonies, comprising two billion people across six continents, happily and willingly belonging to such a commonwealth. Pretty strange thing for them to do, considering all the evil the British Empire committed non-stop, 24/7. > we didn't even touch the mess that the English caused in India The mess of leaving it as the world's largest democracy? (By population, that is. By size it just so happens to be another former colony of the British monsters.) In fact if we make a short list of the most advanced/stable/richest/democratic former colonies in the world, we'll probably find it does not include the likes of Vietnam, Algeria, Congo, Mexico or the Philippines, but does include the likes of the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong, India. Funny that. > you think that you are special, well good riddance, and stay out of EU How is it special to be outside of the EU? Most countries in the world are.

Annatar 10y ago
> Which imperialist was the non-violent one then? Well that's the jolly old clinch, isn't it? Every imperialist was violent, and the English are an empire, and as I am both want and compelled to agree with your so astutely observed argument, I'm afraid I have no recourse but to concur with you that the English are violent. Yes, yes, very well put, old chap, I say! > Perhaps you can name another country, perhaps your own > undoubtedly spotless nation, My nation was never an empire, and it protected Europe for hundreds of years from marauders, rapists, murderers and especially from religious fanatics, and amazingly enough continues to do so even today. Not only that, but my nation paid the price of Europe not writing in or speaking Arabic or Turkish for that matter, and with a sizeable portion of her own territory, visible in the country's unique border, unlike any in Europe today. Not even the mighty British empire can claim such a feat. Oh, and while we were bleeding our hearts and bodies out for Europe, the English were sitting on their island, but they didn't come to help until 1914, and then they only came because they saw their own interest in it, and then they made a mess of things... everything that we had fought so hard to preserve across almost six centuries, they have destroyed on the altair of their own short-term interest in the span of a few decades. In one fell swoop, it was the British who decided to sell us into slavery as thanks for protecting Europe. In most recent history, while we were being brutally raped and slaughtered, tortured by being beaten with iron bars, or electrodes and high current put through the testicles of our people, while we cried for help, it was the British who had sided with those who did this to us, while they were doing it, and purposely delayed any action of the European Union while this was taking place. Jolly good, that! And yet, even though we dislike them, and we do not trust them, we bear the English no ill will and will continue to protect Europe as we have always done. That is the ethical and moral high ground which not even the mighty British empire can claim. To subjugate, to murder, to plunder, yes, but not to protect as we will continue to do, even those who have done us wrong. And while my nation isn't spotless, it feels pretty good to be the protector rather than all these other things that the English have wrought upon the world. Yep, life is great. > that has over 50 former colonies, The Sun never sets on the British empire, isn't that how the saying goes? It is not a point to be argued in favor of one's honor, but of one's eternal shame at subjugating, murdering and stealing from others over the span of several centuries. > The mess of leaving it as the world's largest democracy? It's grossly impolite, to the point of not minding one's p's and q's, to imply that the English are somehow deserving for establishment of democracy in India, an honor that history has recorded as going to one Mahatma Gandhi. It would be awful, just horrid, don't you agree, to claim someone else's accomplishment as one's own, wouldn't it? I mean that would strike at the core of the good old proper British values, almost bordering on the waffling, wouldn't it now?

Chris2048 10y ago

Voted down for attempting to mimic/mock British slang in an insulting manner.

Annatar 10y ago
Thank you kindly, I will take your comment as a compliment, and also, I am up-voting this comment of yours, as a token of my appreciation.

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11968882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11968882 and marked it off-topic.