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Greece is a great country, but seems to be at this point a welfare state. Whether there had been Brexit or not, it had fallen on hard times. From what I underst

by fchopin 10y ago

Greece is a great country, but seems to be at this point a welfare state. Whether there had been Brexit or not, it had fallen on hard times. From what I understand, many of its people supported Brexit, because they feel that they have been let down by the EU, although they are not in a good position to leave the EU themselves. I wish the best for Greece; I think they will be able to overcome their current situation and be better for it in the end. It used to be a place that people longed to vacation in and saw as a gem of Europe. It is still the same country, regardless of their financial situation. Put up tens of thousands of travel posters that say, "Greece, Beauty on a Budget" around Europe, and you could solve that problem in a decade or less, perhaps.

mastazi 10y ago
Your first sentence seems to imply that "great countries" don't or should not provide welfare/public aid... Care to elaborate?
- slowernet 10y ago
  I think the poster was referring to the Greek economy's need for bailout/recapitalization from the EU, not provision of aid to their citizens.
  - mastazi 10y ago
    Yes, I just re-read the parent in light of your comment, it makes sense now, thank you.
banach 10y ago
I am not sure that I understand your use of the term "welfare state". My dictionary says: > a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits. The above is standard in all of the northern-European countries typically lauded for their economic success. Clearly, this was not what caused the collapse of the Greek economy. Of course, there are many alternative theories, but the most convincing one I am aware of is that it was the result of subprime lending by north-European (predominantly German) banks.
- AnthonyMouse 10y ago
  Your dictionary contains the Blue Team definition. The Red Team definition is a state that discourages work by providing welfare benefits to people who don't work (or don't work as much) but denies the same benefits to people who do work. That has not been going particularly well for France or Spain either.
  - marincounty 10y ago
    I've been hearing this Red Team definition forever. Where are these jobs that go unfilled? Where are these groups of people who are living the welfare life? Now if you mean working several jobs, and still living out of your car--you won. I've noticed, even in the US, Republicans have backed off claiming that people on welfare are just lazy people who don't want your Red Team job. Why? Because their isn't any livable job magically awaiting them. Trump knows this. That's why he's blaming trade agreements, and illegial immigrants. I haven't once heard him play the lazy card/they have it too good card. It might be the only card he hasen't played? (Yes, I know the discussion is about Greece. I just doubt there's a bunch of jobs, anywhere, that go unfilled because the state welfare benefits are so generous. And yes, there will be that one person who scours the internet and finds the one livable wage job posting--you won.)

by fchopin 10y ago

mastazi 10y ago

Your first sentence seems to imply that "great countries" don't or should not provide welfare/public aid... Care to elaborate?

slowernet 10y ago
I think the poster was referring to the Greek economy's need for bailout/recapitalization from the EU, not provision of aid to their citizens.
- mastazi 10y ago
  Yes, I just re-read the parent in light of your comment, it makes sense now, thank you.

banach 10y ago

I am not sure that I understand your use of the term "welfare state". My dictionary says: > a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits. The above is standard in all of the northern-European countries typically lauded for their economic success. Clearly, this was not what caused the collapse of the Greek economy. Of course, there are many alternative theories, but the most convincing one I am aware of is that it was the result of subprime lending by north-European (predominantly German) banks.

AnthonyMouse 10y ago
Your dictionary contains the Blue Team definition. The Red Team definition is a state that discourages work by providing welfare benefits to people who don't work (or don't work as much) but denies the same benefits to people who do work. That has not been going particularly well for France or Spain either.
- marincounty 10y ago
  I've been hearing this Red Team definition forever. Where are these jobs that go unfilled? Where are these groups of people who are living the welfare life? Now if you mean working several jobs, and still living out of your car--you won. I've noticed, even in the US, Republicans have backed off claiming that people on welfare are just lazy people who don't want your Red Team job. Why? Because their isn't any livable job magically awaiting them. Trump knows this. That's why he's blaming trade agreements, and illegial immigrants. I haven't once heard him play the lazy card/they have it too good card. It might be the only card he hasen't played? (Yes, I know the discussion is about Greece. I just doubt there's a bunch of jobs, anywhere, that go unfilled because the state welfare benefits are so generous. And yes, there will be that one person who scours the internet and finds the one livable wage job posting--you won.)