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You may have already seen it, but the 4 sections you describe are very similar to this: https://www.politicalcompass.org/ https://www.politicalcompass.org/ The

You may have already seen it, but the 4 sections you describe are very similar to this: https://www.politicalcompass.org/ https://www.politicalcompass.org/ The basic idea is that there are two axises, not one (social and financial).

carapat_virulat 10y ago
I think those kinds of plots only make sense when you lay more or less in the middle. A political position is not just how you position yourself in an objective predeterminate political space but also how you define that political space.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  Like how most of what is seen as right wing in the European nations, is seen as left wing in USA?
lucozade 10y ago
> The basic idea is that there are two axises, not one (social and financial). Not only this but also the main divide is not left and right but liberal and conservative. In the UK, what I see most often is a divide between socially liberal but fiscally conservative and those that are socially conservative but fiscally liberal. In my view, it's why early New Labour was successful (socially liberal but fiscally conservative) then lost it by loosening up fiscally and going to war. Similarly, UKIP has been equally effective in taking support from blue collar workers on both left and right because they push a socially conservative, fiscally liberal agenda. It's not the whole story. SNP have used national identity well although, interestingly their actual policies are more in keeping with this split than their rhetoric. The EU referendum debate seems to be almost perfectly along a line between fiscally conservative and socially conservative. I foresee political parties changing much more this way over the next few years.
digi_owl 10y ago
I may have seen it years ago, and forgotten about it. Thanks.
MustardTiger 10y ago
Those aren't the two axis political compass uses. The axis they use are equality (left vs right) and liberty (authoritarian vs libertarian). This still faces the same issue where many people are authoritarian about some things and libertarian about others, such as social questions vs financial questions.

carapat_virulat 10y ago

I think those kinds of plots only make sense when you lay more or less in the middle. A political position is not just how you position yourself in an objective predeterminate political space but also how you define that political space.

digi_owl 10y ago
Like how most of what is seen as right wing in the European nations, is seen as left wing in USA?

lucozade 10y ago

> The basic idea is that there are two axises, not one (social and financial). Not only this but also the main divide is not left and right but liberal and conservative. In the UK, what I see most often is a divide between socially liberal but fiscally conservative and those that are socially conservative but fiscally liberal. In my view, it's why early New Labour was successful (socially liberal but fiscally conservative) then lost it by loosening up fiscally and going to war. Similarly, UKIP has been equally effective in taking support from blue collar workers on both left and right because they push a socially conservative, fiscally liberal agenda. It's not the whole story. SNP have used national identity well although, interestingly their actual policies are more in keeping with this split than their rhetoric. The EU referendum debate seems to be almost perfectly along a line between fiscally conservative and socially conservative. I foresee political parties changing much more this way over the next few years.

digi_owl 10y ago

I may have seen it years ago, and forgotten about it. Thanks.

MustardTiger 10y ago

Those aren't the two axis political compass uses. The axis they use are equality (left vs right) and liberty (authoritarian vs libertarian). This still faces the same issue where many people are authoritarian about some things and libertarian about others, such as social questions vs financial questions.