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I think this shows the dangers in ignoring those without power. For to long, people who were made worse off by integration with the EU were ignored, when they

by Khaine 10y ago

I think this shows the dangers in ignoring those without power. For to long, people who were made worse off by integration with the EU were ignored, when they voiced concern about immigration were shouted down as racist, were mocked, were made to feel stupid and now this is the result. I'm not saying that racism or xenophobia did not play a part, but when you brush everyone with concerns with that brush you push them towards extremism. This is a sad day for the EU and for the UK. This is a bad outcome for each side. I'm not sure where we go from here.

tremon 10y ago
people who were made worse off by integration with the EU were ignored Correction: they were made worse off by their own government. The EU is an easy scapegoat, but the EU did not close down the mines or manufacturing plants.
- Khaine 10y ago
  ummm no. I'm talking about the fact that unskilled wages have stagnated due to the influx migrants that was enabled by the EU. Honestly it doesn't matter who is really to blame as the people who voted perceived that the EU was the cause. And in these circumstances perception trumps reality. The lack empathy to understand where people are coming from and talking over the top to correct people is why this debate is so toxic, and why so many voted to leave. To win this debate the remain campaign needed to understand the drivers of brexit, to empathise with those wishing to leave and to show how that leaving wasn't the solution to their problems. Instead they browbeat people supporting brexit, by calling them racist, xenophobic, and stupid. I wanted the UK to remain in the EU. I still do, I'm not sure where we go from here.
  - tremon 10y ago
    in these circumstances perception trumps reality Yes, sad, isn't it? You can royally shaft part of your own citizens for forty years, decrease the tax burden on the richest people and largest businesses, and when push comes to shove, there is always an external enemy that you can blame. We've been down this road before.

by Khaine 10y ago

tremon 10y ago

people who were made worse off by integration with the EU were ignored Correction: they were made worse off by their own government. The EU is an easy scapegoat, but the EU did not close down the mines or manufacturing plants.

Khaine 10y ago
ummm no. I'm talking about the fact that unskilled wages have stagnated due to the influx migrants that was enabled by the EU. Honestly it doesn't matter who is really to blame as the people who voted perceived that the EU was the cause. And in these circumstances perception trumps reality. The lack empathy to understand where people are coming from and talking over the top to correct people is why this debate is so toxic, and why so many voted to leave. To win this debate the remain campaign needed to understand the drivers of brexit, to empathise with those wishing to leave and to show how that leaving wasn't the solution to their problems. Instead they browbeat people supporting brexit, by calling them racist, xenophobic, and stupid. I wanted the UK to remain in the EU. I still do, I'm not sure where we go from here.
- tremon 10y ago
  in these circumstances perception trumps reality Yes, sad, isn't it? You can royally shaft part of your own citizens for forty years, decrease the tax burden on the richest people and largest businesses, and when push comes to shove, there is always an external enemy that you can blame. We've been down this road before.