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Because anecdote == data?

by drauh 10y ago

WalterBright 10y ago
What significant subsidies did Microsoft/Google/Apple/Oracle/etc. get? Also, Edison invented the vacuum tube upon which it is all based. I read a biography of him, and he never got a subsidy. Shouldn't he get all the credit?
- hobs 10y ago
  Google started university research project with NSF grants helping them to create the goliath we see today, they probably would not exist otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google#Early_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google#Early_histor... Also I would call most of the government projects that Oracle is on subsidies considering how little value they deliver and how much they cost.
  - WalterBright 10y ago
    Yahoo and AltaVista was there before Google. To say we wouldn't have search engines without the NSF is not believable. The page rank paper did not require an NSF grant. Selling to the government is not a subsidy.
    - hobs 10y ago
      That's fine to say, just answering the question of "what significant subsidies did x get" where x did get subsidies. There are probably many companies that make your point much better is all.
- cbd1984 10y ago
  > What significant subsidies did Microsoft/Google/Apple/Oracle/etc. get? Existing in a country where a private company is a profit center as opposed to something for bandits to loot?
- EGreg 10y ago
  Do you mean direct cash subsidies? Or do you mean we don't need copyright protection, limited liability and bankruptcy protection allowing entrepreneurs to take risks, laws protecting investors and corporations, public education system, and so forth? Why would Edison want all the credit? Newton said he only saw as far as he did by standing on the shoulders of giants. We are all inheriting the accumulated wealth and knowledge of all the people who came before us. Why not the people around immediately before us who built the society we live in?
  - WalterBright 10y ago
    Having a free market is not a government subsidy. > Why would Edison want all the credit? Why indeed.
    - EGreg 10y ago
      Um, okay. So you agree?
- batbomb 10y ago
  > Ampex was developing a giant database for the CIA, and Ellison was assigned to the project, along with Bob Miner and Ed Oates. The CIA's codename for the project was Oracle. The project was something of a disaster, but it led eventually to the formation of Oracle Corporation and its current hugely successful range of databases. And in the same way that Apple based its Macintosh range of personal computers on original research done at Xerox's Palo Alto Research Centre (Parc), Oracle's hugely successful "relational databases" were inspired by an idea developed by IBM.

Because anecdote == data?

by drauh 10y ago

Because anecdote == data?

What significant subsidies did Microsoft/Google/Apple/Oracle/etc. get? Also, Edison invented the vacuum tube upon which it is all based. I read a biography of him, and he never got a subsidy. Shouldn't he get all the credit?

hobs 10y ago
Google started university research project with NSF grants helping them to create the goliath we see today, they probably would not exist otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google#Early_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google#Early_histor... Also I would call most of the government projects that Oracle is on subsidies considering how little value they deliver and how much they cost.
- WalterBright 10y ago
  Yahoo and AltaVista was there before Google. To say we wouldn't have search engines without the NSF is not believable. The page rank paper did not require an NSF grant. Selling to the government is not a subsidy.
  - hobs 10y ago
    That's fine to say, just answering the question of "what significant subsidies did x get" where x did get subsidies. There are probably many companies that make your point much better is all.
cbd1984 10y ago
> What significant subsidies did Microsoft/Google/Apple/Oracle/etc. get? Existing in a country where a private company is a profit center as opposed to something for bandits to loot?
EGreg 10y ago
Do you mean direct cash subsidies? Or do you mean we don't need copyright protection, limited liability and bankruptcy protection allowing entrepreneurs to take risks, laws protecting investors and corporations, public education system, and so forth? Why would Edison want all the credit? Newton said he only saw as far as he did by standing on the shoulders of giants. We are all inheriting the accumulated wealth and knowledge of all the people who came before us. Why not the people around immediately before us who built the society we live in?
- WalterBright 10y ago
  Having a free market is not a government subsidy. > Why would Edison want all the credit? Why indeed.
  - EGreg 10y ago
    Um, okay. So you agree?
batbomb 10y ago
> Ampex was developing a giant database for the CIA, and Ellison was assigned to the project, along with Bob Miner and Ed Oates. The CIA's codename for the project was Oracle. The project was something of a disaster, but it led eventually to the formation of Oracle Corporation and its current hugely successful range of databases. And in the same way that Apple based its Macintosh range of personal computers on original research done at Xerox's Palo Alto Research Centre (Parc), Oracle's hugely successful "relational databases" were inspired by an idea developed by IBM.