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> I don't agree with that, the EU has a very strong cultural union that was created by the enunciation of the French Revolution principles. It's not by accident

by wtbob 10y ago

> I don't agree with that, the EU has a very strong cultural union that was created by the enunciation of the French Revolution principles. It's not by accident that, for example, there is no state in EU with death penalty. The conjunction of those two sentences is a bit hilarious, considering the wanton abuse of the death penalty during the Reign of Terror. And I think that the lack of capital punishment is an indicator of one of the EU's problems: it's stunningly undemocratic. Polls (until recently?) have shown for decades strong popular support for capital punishment, and yet countries have been forced by the EU to ban it.

yardie 10y ago
I am unaware of anyone in any of the EU countries who support the death penalty nor capital punishment. It is overwhelmingly frowned upon. Now I admit I haven't asked everyone in every EU country. And I'm sure there are those in Central/Eastern Europe who still support it (I know life was especially brutal under the communist regimes). Polls (until recently?) Which polls? I'm honestly curious.
- hartpuff 10y ago
  > I am unaware of anyone in any of the EU countries who support the death penalty nor capital punishment. It is overwhelmingly frowned upon. No it isn't. (And I post as someone who is against it, BTW.) In every right-wing party in the EU (and the world) there are almost certain to be elected representatives who support the death penalty. > Polls (until recently?) Which polls? I'm honestly curious. Obviously not curious enough to make a simple Google search. Here's a BBC item from last year showing support for the death penalty in the UK dropping below 50% for the first time: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822 > And I'm sure there are those in Central/Eastern Europe who still support it (I know life was especially brutal under the communist regimes). I fail to see what regimes that disappeared a quarter of a century ago have to do with anything.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Well, I'm in an EU country, and I support the death penalty for the most severe crimes; as execution method I only propose that the condemned shall be kept in prison until he or she dies. A lethal injection or bullet in the neck is too easy. (However, this is forbidden by EU.)
V-2 10y ago
While you're mostly right (and associating the abolishment of death penalty with French Revolution made me chuckle too), it's not actually true that the EU banned death penalty outright. EU institutions surely oppose death penalty, and there would be political/diplomatic repercussions if a member state tried to restore it, but this is not imposed upon any state in legal sense.
andyjohnson0 10y ago
> forced by the EU to ban it The death penalty is prohibited by protocol 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights [1]. Ratifying the convention is a requirement for joining the EU, but it isn't the EU that is doing the banning. The ECHR is an instrument of the Council of Europe, which is not connected to (and pre-dates) the European Union. [1] http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/hrpolicy/Others_issues/Death_Penalty/default_en.asp http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/hrpolicy/Others_is...

by wtbob 10y ago

yardie 10y ago

I am unaware of anyone in any of the EU countries who support the death penalty nor capital punishment. It is overwhelmingly frowned upon. Now I admit I haven't asked everyone in every EU country. And I'm sure there are those in Central/Eastern Europe who still support it (I know life was especially brutal under the communist regimes). Polls (until recently?) Which polls? I'm honestly curious.

hartpuff 10y ago
> I am unaware of anyone in any of the EU countries who support the death penalty nor capital punishment. It is overwhelmingly frowned upon. No it isn't. (And I post as someone who is against it, BTW.) In every right-wing party in the EU (and the world) there are almost certain to be elected representatives who support the death penalty. > Polls (until recently?) Which polls? I'm honestly curious. Obviously not curious enough to make a simple Google search. Here's a BBC item from last year showing support for the death penalty in the UK dropping below 50% for the first time: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822 > And I'm sure there are those in Central/Eastern Europe who still support it (I know life was especially brutal under the communist regimes). I fail to see what regimes that disappeared a quarter of a century ago have to do with anything.
ptaipale 10y ago
Well, I'm in an EU country, and I support the death penalty for the most severe crimes; as execution method I only propose that the condemned shall be kept in prison until he or she dies. A lethal injection or bullet in the neck is too easy. (However, this is forbidden by EU.)

V-2 10y ago

While you're mostly right (and associating the abolishment of death penalty with French Revolution made me chuckle too), it's not actually true that the EU banned death penalty outright. EU institutions surely oppose death penalty, and there would be political/diplomatic repercussions if a member state tried to restore it, but this is not imposed upon any state in legal sense.

andyjohnson0 10y ago

> forced by the EU to ban it The death penalty is prohibited by protocol 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights [1]. Ratifying the convention is a requirement for joining the EU, but it isn't the EU that is doing the banning. The ECHR is an instrument of the Council of Europe, which is not connected to (and pre-dates) the European Union. [1] http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/hrpolicy/Others_issues/Death_Penalty/default_en.asp http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/hrpolicy/Others_is...