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> EU has got to deliver I think this is the most important misconception GB always had about the EU. It's a union which means, having a well tempered partnersh

by mh-cx 10y ago

> EU has got to deliver I think this is the most important misconception GB always had about the EU. It's a union which means, having a well tempered partnership should be the goal - not cherry-picking like the UK often did. Or, to resemble a famous quote: Ask not, what the EU can do for you - ask what you can do for the EU!

k-mcgrady 10y ago
As someone who voted to remain I have to say if I was from one of the other EU countries I would be happy with the result. Short term it's going to be difficult for the EU but if they can hold things together it'll be good for them to have gotten rid of a partner that isn't fully in and wants special privileges. That just creates friction.
- gonvaled 10y ago
  100% with you. If contagion can be avoided, the EU got today its indepence day.
  - chvid 10y ago
    I can give you guys the Danish perspective. We are not ready for further expansion of the EU project. If this causes the EU to split in two parts: A smaller but stronger EU politcal/economical union and a broader but weak trade cooperation amogst european countries. Then Denmark will probably end up outside the political union. We too had a number of referendums, more than one voting "no to EU" but always our representive polticians chose to negotiate a deal and create a new referendum which just scraped a yes. The UK being out adds legitimacy to the "being out" case which EU opponents in Denmark and other places will use. The dissatisfaction with the EU will much more visibile after this.
    - gonvaled 10y ago
      That is sad. Blaming the EU for what esentially is a global recession, a period of wealth redistribution fostered by globalization and technology, and massive demographic movements caused by multiple crisis around the world. Getting out of the EU will not solve any of that. It could be that isolated countries will do better economicaly, and will be able to isolate themselves from the problems happening around them. It could be that you stay rich, or become richer, by closing your eyes and ears to the suffering happening around you, while the rest are left carrying the burden. How sad. The EU is the chance of Europe to be heard around the world, a great project being squandered by some right wingers opportunists.
    - Tehnix 10y ago
      That said, there is still a long way from the vote you mention (which basically boiled down to "do we want to give the EU more power?") to a full blown exit from the EU, which I don't imagine would garner nearly as much support as the other vote. That said, I'm certainly not that happy with the EU myself (also Dane), and really think it needs to shape up, but that is more related to the abundance of literally retarded regulations that they force down upon member countries.

by mh-cx 10y ago

k-mcgrady 10y ago

As someone who voted to remain I have to say if I was from one of the other EU countries I would be happy with the result. Short term it's going to be difficult for the EU but if they can hold things together it'll be good for them to have gotten rid of a partner that isn't fully in and wants special privileges. That just creates friction.

gonvaled 10y ago
100% with you. If contagion can be avoided, the EU got today its indepence day.
- chvid 10y ago
  I can give you guys the Danish perspective. We are not ready for further expansion of the EU project. If this causes the EU to split in two parts: A smaller but stronger EU politcal/economical union and a broader but weak trade cooperation amogst european countries. Then Denmark will probably end up outside the political union. We too had a number of referendums, more than one voting "no to EU" but always our representive polticians chose to negotiate a deal and create a new referendum which just scraped a yes. The UK being out adds legitimacy to the "being out" case which EU opponents in Denmark and other places will use. The dissatisfaction with the EU will much more visibile after this.
  - gonvaled 10y ago
    That is sad. Blaming the EU for what esentially is a global recession, a period of wealth redistribution fostered by globalization and technology, and massive demographic movements caused by multiple crisis around the world. Getting out of the EU will not solve any of that. It could be that isolated countries will do better economicaly, and will be able to isolate themselves from the problems happening around them. It could be that you stay rich, or become richer, by closing your eyes and ears to the suffering happening around you, while the rest are left carrying the burden. How sad. The EU is the chance of Europe to be heard around the world, a great project being squandered by some right wingers opportunists.
  - Tehnix 10y ago
    That said, there is still a long way from the vote you mention (which basically boiled down to "do we want to give the EU more power?") to a full blown exit from the EU, which I don't imagine would garner nearly as much support as the other vote. That said, I'm certainly not that happy with the EU myself (also Dane), and really think it needs to shape up, but that is more related to the abundance of literally retarded regulations that they force down upon member countries.