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See that's the problem I'm still being treated as a foreigner even though I've been living here for years and have been contributing to the British NHS service,

by Fuxy 10y ago

See that's the problem I'm still being treated as a foreigner even though I've been living here for years and have been contributing to the British NHS service, paying British taxes and in all generating wealth for the country. All the obligation but I don't get a say on what my new home country should do? Does that seem right to you?

knackernews 10y ago
It's perfectly fine. Just go through the naturalization process that is available to you, swear allegiance to the Queen and you can have your say in the country's future. Being a citizen is more than being a tax payer or generating wealth.
- 7Z7 10y ago
  Or just be colonised by the British at some point in your past..
- hk__2 10y ago
  Isn’t it absurd that as someone who lives somewhere and pay their taxes you can’t have a say on local politics, just because you don’t have a piece of paper that says you have the right nationality? As a French I can live 10 years outside of the country and still vote for the mayor of Paris. You don’t even need to live in Europe to vote for European elections if you have that paper that says you’re “French”.
yandie 10y ago
Voting is a privilege of being a citizen. At least you get access to a bunch of benefits thanks to the UK (used to) being part of EU. I'm a non EU citizen working in the UK and I don't get any of that if I lose my job. I don't have any problem with not being able to vote. Although funny enough, my spouse is Australian, and being a commonwealth citizen, he can vote here
- anonymousDan 10y ago
  Why the hell should commonwealth citizens get a vote and not EU citizens?
  - nicky0 10y ago
    Them's the rules. General elections in the UK are open to British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens residing in the UK. As set out in the Representation of the People Act 1918.
throwaway049 10y ago
You've been very unlucky in that the referendum came before you could become a citizen, but I do believe it is right that the poll was restricted to citizens and certain classes of other permanent residents[0]. [0] https://fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/ https://fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/
blfr 10y ago
You contributed to the British NHS and could use their services. It doesn't make you British. Just like buying any other service usually doesn't make you a shareholder in the company which provides it.
- jpetso 10y ago
  I think it would be worth (re?)considering what should meaningfully constitute citizenship. Allegiance to your monarch? Participating in communities? Bringing your country's hono(u)r and values everywhere you go? Committing to a certain number of years of residency? Going to war for some politician's economic or expansionist dreams? Feeling more connected to other citizens who vote with their fear and raw emotions, rather than to some reasonable foreigner? As it stands, the definition of citizenship from my own practical point of view is, "You've been a permanent resident for long enough, have picked up the language in the process, know a few history facts and the National Anthem, and are willing to give up your previous country's citizenship for us". With all due respect, that's a lousy set of criteria for whether or not I get to vote in a country that I care about, whose people, policies and politics I follow closely, and that I consider a long-term home for at least a good portion of my life. Being a citizen is definitely more than being a taxpayer. But then, look at what your criteria would be, and apply that same standard to born citizens. Being born in a certain place, or to a certain set of parents, is obviously a much better criterion to judge people and their connection to a country, is it not? Obviously that's what people have decided on and continue to uphold. I just find it hard to follow that reasoning.
Khaine 10y ago
Sorry, but you are a foreigner. Your not a British citizen. In Australia we have people who are Permanent Residents. They have rights to work in Australia, but they are not citizens. They don't get to vote in elections. It appears to me that as an EU Citizen in Britain you are the equivalent of a PR. I'm not sure why you feel that the franchise should be further extended to cover people who work in the UK, but are not citizens. The EU is not a political union. It is an economic union. This has been the problem from the start. People want it both ways when it suits them.
BrutallyHonest 10y ago
You want to exercise rights without fully committing?
dropit_sphere 10y ago
You aren't fulfilling the obligation of carrying on a UK citizen's genes---states are, to an extent, a mediator between parents and children.

by Fuxy 10y ago

knackernews 10y ago

It's perfectly fine. Just go through the naturalization process that is available to you, swear allegiance to the Queen and you can have your say in the country's future. Being a citizen is more than being a tax payer or generating wealth.

7Z7 10y ago
Or just be colonised by the British at some point in your past..
hk__2 10y ago
Isn’t it absurd that as someone who lives somewhere and pay their taxes you can’t have a say on local politics, just because you don’t have a piece of paper that says you have the right nationality? As a French I can live 10 years outside of the country and still vote for the mayor of Paris. You don’t even need to live in Europe to vote for European elections if you have that paper that says you’re “French”.

yandie 10y ago

Voting is a privilege of being a citizen. At least you get access to a bunch of benefits thanks to the UK (used to) being part of EU. I'm a non EU citizen working in the UK and I don't get any of that if I lose my job. I don't have any problem with not being able to vote. Although funny enough, my spouse is Australian, and being a commonwealth citizen, he can vote here

anonymousDan 10y ago
Why the hell should commonwealth citizens get a vote and not EU citizens?
- nicky0 10y ago
  Them's the rules. General elections in the UK are open to British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens residing in the UK. As set out in the Representation of the People Act 1918.

throwaway049 10y ago

You've been very unlucky in that the referendum came before you could become a citizen, but I do believe it is right that the poll was restricted to citizens and certain classes of other permanent residents[0]. [0] https://fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/ https://fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum/

blfr 10y ago

You contributed to the British NHS and could use their services. It doesn't make you British. Just like buying any other service usually doesn't make you a shareholder in the company which provides it.

jpetso 10y ago
I think it would be worth (re?)considering what should meaningfully constitute citizenship. Allegiance to your monarch? Participating in communities? Bringing your country's hono(u)r and values everywhere you go? Committing to a certain number of years of residency? Going to war for some politician's economic or expansionist dreams? Feeling more connected to other citizens who vote with their fear and raw emotions, rather than to some reasonable foreigner? As it stands, the definition of citizenship from my own practical point of view is, "You've been a permanent resident for long enough, have picked up the language in the process, know a few history facts and the National Anthem, and are willing to give up your previous country's citizenship for us". With all due respect, that's a lousy set of criteria for whether or not I get to vote in a country that I care about, whose people, policies and politics I follow closely, and that I consider a long-term home for at least a good portion of my life. Being a citizen is definitely more than being a taxpayer. But then, look at what your criteria would be, and apply that same standard to born citizens. Being born in a certain place, or to a certain set of parents, is obviously a much better criterion to judge people and their connection to a country, is it not? Obviously that's what people have decided on and continue to uphold. I just find it hard to follow that reasoning.

Khaine 10y ago

Sorry, but you are a foreigner. Your not a British citizen. In Australia we have people who are Permanent Residents. They have rights to work in Australia, but they are not citizens. They don't get to vote in elections. It appears to me that as an EU Citizen in Britain you are the equivalent of a PR. I'm not sure why you feel that the franchise should be further extended to cover people who work in the UK, but are not citizens. The EU is not a political union. It is an economic union. This has been the problem from the start. People want it both ways when it suits them.

BrutallyHonest 10y ago

You want to exercise rights without fully committing?

dropit_sphere 10y ago

You aren't fulfilling the obligation of carrying on a UK citizen's genes---states are, to an extent, a mediator between parents and children.