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What? I haven't been stopped on a border a single time while travelling within Schengen. At the same time, crossing the Channel tunnel or taking the Eurostar m

by seszett 10y ago

What? I haven't been stopped on a border a single time while travelling within Schengen. At the same time, crossing the Channel tunnel or taking the Eurostar means having to get through border control, handing out your passport and sometimes, if they feel like it, having to answer questions on what you're going to do in the UK. Taking the Eurostar from Brussels to Lille (because it's sometimes cheaper than a regular TGV, or because the timing is better) is even more bothersome because they get double suspicious that you only want to go to France instead of all the way to London.

martin_a 10y ago
Don´t know what you did, but the last time I got off the plane in London (travelled from Germany), I showed my Personalausweis ("small" passport, everybody in Germany has one) and were good to go and leave the airport. No checks, no questions, nothing.
- seszett 10y ago
  Well, I've never taken a plane within the EU, but usually the border checks are before boarding, not when you get off the plane. Similarly, the border checks are in Calais for Eurotunnel and in Paris or Brussels station for Eurostar. You have to embark and go through border checks 30 minutes before departure with Eurostar, that's a fact. Whether you will have to answer questions is very random and doesn't seem to depend on whether you give them a passport or just French ID. My wife has a Canadian passport and a French residency permit and this does make them ask more questions though. Eurotunnel checks were lighter when I used to take it, but that was before the Calais crisis so I would guess it has become more bothersome lately. In any case, you just can't say it's as easy as just hoping in your car and driving to Belgium and back to fetch your beer.
  - yandie 10y ago
    That's because you're equating freedom movement with the Schengen area. Schengen agreement mandates no border check, but the UK is not part of it, so of course they can have border check
    - seszett 10y ago
      But... I'm really not. I know very well the difference. I guess I misunderstood what was being talked about, but I was actually trying to make the point that movement between Shengen and the UK is different from movement within Shengen. Specifically, I was answering to this exchange: >> it was always more difficult to go to/from the UK > This is not true. by saying that it is actually more difficult to go to/from the UK. Which it is.
raverbashing 10y ago
Freedom of movement != being stopped at a border One simple example, when you come back from an international trip to your native country you still need to go through the border even though you have freedom of movement there
- bkor 10y ago
  If you're totally free to travel, why do they check people at the border? I'm pretty sure that they can refuse entry (else I'd like to see a source that they cannot). As such, not free to move.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    > If you're totally free to travel, why do they check people at the border? Because even though you have the right, some people don't. And they only know which is which after you present your documents. I guess the only case in when they can refuse entry is if you are wanted by police or something (or maybe not even then)

by seszett 10y ago

martin_a 10y ago

Don´t know what you did, but the last time I got off the plane in London (travelled from Germany), I showed my Personalausweis ("small" passport, everybody in Germany has one) and were good to go and leave the airport. No checks, no questions, nothing.

seszett 10y ago
Well, I've never taken a plane within the EU, but usually the border checks are before boarding, not when you get off the plane. Similarly, the border checks are in Calais for Eurotunnel and in Paris or Brussels station for Eurostar. You have to embark and go through border checks 30 minutes before departure with Eurostar, that's a fact. Whether you will have to answer questions is very random and doesn't seem to depend on whether you give them a passport or just French ID. My wife has a Canadian passport and a French residency permit and this does make them ask more questions though. Eurotunnel checks were lighter when I used to take it, but that was before the Calais crisis so I would guess it has become more bothersome lately. In any case, you just can't say it's as easy as just hoping in your car and driving to Belgium and back to fetch your beer.
- yandie 10y ago
  That's because you're equating freedom movement with the Schengen area. Schengen agreement mandates no border check, but the UK is not part of it, so of course they can have border check
  - seszett 10y ago
    But... I'm really not. I know very well the difference. I guess I misunderstood what was being talked about, but I was actually trying to make the point that movement between Shengen and the UK is different from movement within Shengen. Specifically, I was answering to this exchange: >> it was always more difficult to go to/from the UK > This is not true. by saying that it is actually more difficult to go to/from the UK. Which it is.

raverbashing 10y ago

Freedom of movement != being stopped at a border One simple example, when you come back from an international trip to your native country you still need to go through the border even though you have freedom of movement there

bkor 10y ago
If you're totally free to travel, why do they check people at the border? I'm pretty sure that they can refuse entry (else I'd like to see a source that they cannot). As such, not free to move.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  > If you're totally free to travel, why do they check people at the border? Because even though you have the right, some people don't. And they only know which is which after you present your documents. I guess the only case in when they can refuse entry is if you are wanted by police or something (or maybe not even then)