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Its his fault we're here. His policies made inequality in the UK so high that people got angry and started blaming the EU and mainly migrants.

Ntrails 10y ago
Nothing to do with that. He threw out the referendum promise in order to secure power, and then failed to get Europe to agree to the headline changes which would easily have secured the vote in his "renegotiation". "Austerity" is not to blame for this. You can argue EU recalcitrance played a part, as did labour party weakness, but it's on him. His legacy will be this vote, this loss, and his failure to see through the consequences of his actions.
- CommanderData 10y ago
  > "Austerity" is not to blame for this. Austerity would be to blame for this - it contributed to people being more anti-immigrant, though indirectly. Him calling the referendum, the outcome - are related to his parties policies without isolation.
  - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
    We haven't had austerity in the UK, we have had nothing like what Spain or Greece have had to deal with.
    - CommanderData 10y ago
      Comparing UK with Spain or Greece? The UK was the fifth largest economy in the world. I don't your comparison to Greece is a fair, to say the least. We've had an onslaught of austerity measures and public cuts too many to list in a sitting.
      - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        Yet unemployment is only 5.6%.
        bkor 10y ago
        In Netherlands they changed the way unemployment is measured. Was something similar done in UK? The change it Netherlands makes me not trust easy figures anymore. Further, seems in UK there's quite a big difference between working and actually having enough to live comfortably. A lot rely on support or barely can afford anything. Anyway, that is my impression and don't mind being proved wrong.
        tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        Yes, the figures have been abused for years but it's still a huge distance from the 25% rate Greece has. I should add I'm not a fan of what the Torries have been doing, I favour a larger state, it's the use of the term austerity I don't like.
        Ntrails 10y ago
        "Further, seems in UK there's quite a big difference between working and actually having enough to live comfortably. A lot rely on support or barely can afford anything." I mean, working is not the same as working full time. I couldn't live on 16 hours a week at minimum wage. I could live on full time minimum wage (though not easily if I were still London based). There are benefits and support available to working people, but not in the sense that it's a bad thing. Unemployment only counts people actively looking and not employed at all - but the ONS publishes all those definitions. There hasn't been any new/recent fiddles that I recall.
    - onion2k 10y ago
      We've not had austerity of the same severity as Spain or Greece but that's not to say we haven't had it. We have. Cameron (and Boris, Gove, etc) have no idea how it's affected poor people.

Ntrails 10y ago

Nothing to do with that. He threw out the referendum promise in order to secure power, and then failed to get Europe to agree to the headline changes which would easily have secured the vote in his "renegotiation". "Austerity" is not to blame for this. You can argue EU recalcitrance played a part, as did labour party weakness, but it's on him. His legacy will be this vote, this loss, and his failure to see through the consequences of his actions.

CommanderData 10y ago
> "Austerity" is not to blame for this. Austerity would be to blame for this - it contributed to people being more anti-immigrant, though indirectly. Him calling the referendum, the outcome - are related to his parties policies without isolation.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  We haven't had austerity in the UK, we have had nothing like what Spain or Greece have had to deal with.
  - CommanderData 10y ago
    Comparing UK with Spain or Greece? The UK was the fifth largest economy in the world. I don't your comparison to Greece is a fair, to say the least. We've had an onslaught of austerity measures and public cuts too many to list in a sitting.
    - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
      Yet unemployment is only 5.6%.
      - bkor 10y ago
        In Netherlands they changed the way unemployment is measured. Was something similar done in UK? The change it Netherlands makes me not trust easy figures anymore. Further, seems in UK there's quite a big difference between working and actually having enough to live comfortably. A lot rely on support or barely can afford anything. Anyway, that is my impression and don't mind being proved wrong.
        tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        Yes, the figures have been abused for years but it's still a huge distance from the 25% rate Greece has. I should add I'm not a fan of what the Torries have been doing, I favour a larger state, it's the use of the term austerity I don't like.
        Ntrails 10y ago
        "Further, seems in UK there's quite a big difference between working and actually having enough to live comfortably. A lot rely on support or barely can afford anything." I mean, working is not the same as working full time. I couldn't live on 16 hours a week at minimum wage. I could live on full time minimum wage (though not easily if I were still London based). There are benefits and support available to working people, but not in the sense that it's a bad thing. Unemployment only counts people actively looking and not employed at all - but the ONS publishes all those definitions. There hasn't been any new/recent fiddles that I recall.
  - onion2k 10y ago
    We've not had austerity of the same severity as Spain or Greece but that's not to say we haven't had it. We have. Cameron (and Boris, Gove, etc) have no idea how it's affected poor people.