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So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

by gonzo41 10y ago

tehbeard 10y ago
Probably end up with Boris. Suddenly Trump doesn't seem so bad.
- DanBC 10y ago
  The Borris / Farage coalition feels like some ridiculous parody joke from "Day Today" / "On the Hour".
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  Despite the fact I don't agree with his position on this I'd rather have Gove than Boris.
x5n1 10y ago
The economy is not everything. I know most people including leaders these days think all political decisions should be made keeping the economy in mind, and that's the most important thing. But I don't think this to be the case. Sovereignty and the right for people to make the rules that govern them are just as important if not more important than the economy.
- dba7dba 10y ago
  Giving people freedom of self determination was in. At least for oppressed people. And it seems like UK people exercised that freedom.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  Not having an income isn't very freeing.
simonswords82 10y ago
There has been so much scaremongering in the UK press that the markets are now reacting accordingly. Ultimately trade deals are important not just to the UK but to the countries it trades with. People in power will make deals happen because they have to. There's going to be some short term pain - but ultimately everything will balance out.
- creshal 10y ago
  > Ultimately trade deals are important not just to the UK but to the countries it trades with. People in power will make deals happen because they have to. It's wishful thinking that the deals will be as favourable to the UK, with its now much smaller leverage.
  - simonswords82 10y ago
    I never said anything about the deals with the EU being as favourable.
- AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
  If the so-called scaremongering proves to be true (foreign investment shifting away from UK, etc.), I'm afraid, people like you will call it a conspiracy and a global plot facilitated by a vengeful EU.
  - simonswords82 10y ago
    Will I call it a conspiracy? That's very insightful of you, thanks for your fortune telling. There's going to be pain, but I have confidence that we'll get deals in place that on average over the next five to ten years will see things balance out.
    - AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
      Your comment raised a red flag for me, because "scaremongering in the UK press" implies some kind of concerted effort, a conspiracy, to subvert the truth. That is why I, probably unfairly, placed you in a certain camp. Five to ten years is a very long time to bet on. I do not share your confidence. And it looks like you will have less than two years time to settle things. BTW, is that five to ten years with or without Scottish oil? Just remember: if you're wrong, the people who voted for leave and those who advocated it are to blame, no one else. Not the EU, not "the experts", not the "scaremongerers".
dogma1138 10y ago
It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave. The low turnout in Scotland and the lack of major involvement from the SNP during the final weeks almost seems like both the SNP and the Labour at least partially just wanted to sit and watch the world burn. It seemed that both of them looked at a possible BrExit as a way to get what their want - a Labour Government and a push for another Scottish independence referendum. To me this is really mind boggling I don't even want to start to estimate how much people including myself (a non-EU/EEA resident of London) would stand to lose over the coming months. People underestimated just how effective the propaganda and the cheap shots that the pro-BrExit camp spread over the past few weeks were, the EU and every sane political party in the UK should've been up in arms against it and sadly they weren't. This is just the first crack in the iceberg the full shockwave hasn't hit yet this will fracture the British economy and society for years to come and will have global ramifications. And while I don't really enjoy of taking a personal jab at you this attitude of hey at least we got rid of Cameron like there was or is an actual sane alternative is exactly how we got here. Too many people on the left used this referendum not to cast their actual wishes but to settle political scores hoping if they'll set the field ablaze a better and leftier government would eventually come out standing, it won't, and even if by some miracle it eventually will you would be paying the price for the next 30 years. The UK has forgotten how things were when it was the "sick man of europe" it sure is on it's way for a harsh reminder now.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  >> "It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave." I was pretty happy with Corbyn so far but his complete lack of doing anything throughout this campaign is embarrassing. I'm guessing he didn't want to lose working-class votes but that makes him as bad as Boris Johnson. Deciding the fate of the country base don what's best for his political career.
  - jacquesm 10y ago

So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

by gonzo41 10y ago

So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

tehbeard 10y ago

Probably end up with Boris. Suddenly Trump doesn't seem so bad.

DanBC 10y ago
The Borris / Farage coalition feels like some ridiculous parody joke from "Day Today" / "On the Hour".
tonyedgecombe 10y ago
Despite the fact I don't agree with his position on this I'd rather have Gove than Boris.

x5n1 10y ago

The economy is not everything. I know most people including leaders these days think all political decisions should be made keeping the economy in mind, and that's the most important thing. But I don't think this to be the case. Sovereignty and the right for people to make the rules that govern them are just as important if not more important than the economy.

dba7dba 10y ago
Giving people freedom of self determination was in. At least for oppressed people. And it seems like UK people exercised that freedom.
tonyedgecombe 10y ago
Not having an income isn't very freeing.

simonswords82 10y ago

There has been so much scaremongering in the UK press that the markets are now reacting accordingly. Ultimately trade deals are important not just to the UK but to the countries it trades with. People in power will make deals happen because they have to. There's going to be some short term pain - but ultimately everything will balance out.

creshal 10y ago
> Ultimately trade deals are important not just to the UK but to the countries it trades with. People in power will make deals happen because they have to. It's wishful thinking that the deals will be as favourable to the UK, with its now much smaller leverage.
- simonswords82 10y ago
  I never said anything about the deals with the EU being as favourable.
AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
If the so-called scaremongering proves to be true (foreign investment shifting away from UK, etc.), I'm afraid, people like you will call it a conspiracy and a global plot facilitated by a vengeful EU.
- simonswords82 10y ago
  Will I call it a conspiracy? That's very insightful of you, thanks for your fortune telling. There's going to be pain, but I have confidence that we'll get deals in place that on average over the next five to ten years will see things balance out.
  - AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
    Your comment raised a red flag for me, because "scaremongering in the UK press" implies some kind of concerted effort, a conspiracy, to subvert the truth. That is why I, probably unfairly, placed you in a certain camp. Five to ten years is a very long time to bet on. I do not share your confidence. And it looks like you will have less than two years time to settle things. BTW, is that five to ten years with or without Scottish oil? Just remember: if you're wrong, the people who voted for leave and those who advocated it are to blame, no one else. Not the EU, not "the experts", not the "scaremongerers".

dogma1138 10y ago

It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave. The low turnout in Scotland and the lack of major involvement from the SNP during the final weeks almost seems like both the SNP and the Labour at least partially just wanted to sit and watch the world burn. It seemed that both of them looked at a possible BrExit as a way to get what their want - a Labour Government and a push for another Scottish independence referendum. To me this is really mind boggling I don't even want to start to estimate how much people including myself (a non-EU/EEA resident of London) would stand to lose over the coming months. People underestimated just how effective the propaganda and the cheap shots that the pro-BrExit camp spread over the past few weeks were, the EU and every sane political party in the UK should've been up in arms against it and sadly they weren't. This is just the first crack in the iceberg the full shockwave hasn't hit yet this will fracture the British economy and society for years to come and will have global ramifications. And while I don't really enjoy of taking a personal jab at you this attitude of hey at least we got rid of Cameron like there was or is an actual sane alternative is exactly how we got here. Too many people on the left used this referendum not to cast their actual wishes but to settle political scores hoping if they'll set the field ablaze a better and leftier government would eventually come out standing, it won't, and even if by some miracle it eventually will you would be paying the price for the next 30 years. The UK has forgotten how things were when it was the "sick man of europe" it sure is on it's way for a harsh reminder now.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
>> "It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave." I was pretty happy with Corbyn so far but his complete lack of doing anything throughout this campaign is embarrassing. I'm guessing he didn't want to lose working-class votes but that makes him as bad as Boris Johnson. Deciding the fate of the country base don what's best for his political career.
- jacquesm 10y ago