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Well, the EU can't make such a deal without freedom of movement. All those countries the UK doesn't want EU immigrants out of? They aren't going to sign off on

Well, the EU can't make such a deal without freedom of movement. All those countries the UK doesn't want EU immigrants out of? They aren't going to sign off on any deal without that. And good luck running your NHS without EU doctors...

ZenoArrow 10y ago
Does the EU have any trade deals with countries outside the EU?
- rodgerd 10y ago
  Yes. And I can tell you, as someone living in such a country, they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries. And typically involve respecting EU naming rules (can't call it champagne!), food products held to much higher standards than EU manufacturers, and quotas.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    > "they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries" Can you give me one example? As for Champagne, its a product from the Champagne region of France (similar to how Prosecco is from Italy), I don't see why it's a problem to call similar products from elsewhere sparkling white wine.
    - bayesian_horse 10y ago
      The problem is a much lower price or much lower sales ;-)
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        If you're referring to Champagne, then the answer is to build up your own brand. If I was in the drinks industry and produced cola, I don't have the right to sell it as Coca Cola. It's the same thing with Champagne.
        bayesian_horse 10y ago
        No it's not. But anyway, the point is that the third-party country has to follow EU rules without having a say in them. It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy.
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        > "It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy." Of course they'll have to let in EU exports, just like the EU will have to let in UK exports. Why? They're all members of the World Trade Organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization The EU is set up to allow the member countries to cooperate more closely, through lower trade barriers and suchlike. The idea that leaving the EU means zero trade is absurd.
  - mcv 10y ago
    Held to higher standards than EU manufacturers? That would be odd. The point is that in order to sell on the EU market, you have to meet the standards of the market.
  - GunboatDiplomat 10y ago
    Except in the US. We can totally call it champagne, and the angry French wine makers can't do shit.
jventura 10y ago
This! In the last years my country, Portugal, has been seing a mass exodus of highly qualified young people (many nurses and medical doctors) mostly to England. If there are many restrictions to move to UK, I don't know if they will start moving to central europe (as outside france, we do not have any cultural proximity to other countries).. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for both countries.

ZenoArrow 10y ago

Does the EU have any trade deals with countries outside the EU?

rodgerd 10y ago
Yes. And I can tell you, as someone living in such a country, they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries. And typically involve respecting EU naming rules (can't call it champagne!), food products held to much higher standards than EU manufacturers, and quotas.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries" Can you give me one example? As for Champagne, its a product from the Champagne region of France (similar to how Prosecco is from Italy), I don't see why it's a problem to call similar products from elsewhere sparkling white wine.
  - bayesian_horse 10y ago
    The problem is a much lower price or much lower sales ;-)
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      If you're referring to Champagne, then the answer is to build up your own brand. If I was in the drinks industry and produced cola, I don't have the right to sell it as Coca Cola. It's the same thing with Champagne.
      - bayesian_horse 10y ago
        No it's not. But anyway, the point is that the third-party country has to follow EU rules without having a say in them. It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy.
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        > "It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy." Of course they'll have to let in EU exports, just like the EU will have to let in UK exports. Why? They're all members of the World Trade Organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization The EU is set up to allow the member countries to cooperate more closely, through lower trade barriers and suchlike. The idea that leaving the EU means zero trade is absurd.
- mcv 10y ago
  Held to higher standards than EU manufacturers? That would be odd. The point is that in order to sell on the EU market, you have to meet the standards of the market.
- GunboatDiplomat 10y ago
  Except in the US. We can totally call it champagne, and the angry French wine makers can't do shit.

jventura 10y ago

This! In the last years my country, Portugal, has been seing a mass exodus of highly qualified young people (many nurses and medical doctors) mostly to England. If there are many restrictions to move to UK, I don't know if they will start moving to central europe (as outside france, we do not have any cultural proximity to other countries).. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for both countries.