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An example of a good deal would be: UK companies get access to the entire EU market if they follow EU regulations and UK citizens get freedom to move in the EU,

An example of a good deal would be: UK companies get access to the entire EU market if they follow EU regulations and UK citizens get freedom to move in the EU, and in return the UK also implements those regulations and gives EU companies free access, and gives EU citizens freedom to move in the UK. That's worse than what the UK had, because they wouldn't be part of the EU decision making process anymore and they'd still have as much immigration as now, and that's supposed to be the sore point. So I presume they wouldn't go for such a deal, but it's also hard to see the EU going for a deal this good.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
I doubt the UK would go for that deal either, so it's debatable whether it's a 'good' deal if neither group (on the whole) is likely to be interested in it. I'd suggest the deals made will be based on trade tariffs and product standards. Deals that required dealing with EU regulation or free movement of labour aren't likely to be popular in the UK. If the EU drags its heels, the UK will probably use it's position as a member of the British Commonwealth to push for increased trade between Commonwealth countries whilst it waits for EU trade deals to get ironed out.
- Scarblac 10y ago
  Of course the UK must negotiate with all the other countries it wants to trade with as well, not just the EU. But look at TTIP, that kind of thing takes decades.
- bayesian_horse 10y ago
  Well, the EU can't make such a deal without freedom of movement. All those countries the UK doesn't want EU immigrants out of? They aren't going to sign off on any deal without that. And good luck running your NHS without EU doctors...
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    Does the EU have any trade deals with countries outside the EU?
    - rodgerd 10y ago
      Yes. And I can tell you, as someone living in such a country, they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries. And typically involve respecting EU naming rules (can't call it champagne!), food products held to much higher standards than EU manufacturers, and quotas.
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        > "they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries" Can you give me one example? As for Champagne, its a product from the Champagne region of France (similar to how Prosecco is from Italy), I don't see why it's a problem to call similar products from elsewhere sparkling white wine.
        bayesian_horse 10y ago
        The problem is a much lower price or much lower sales ;-)
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        If you're referring to Champagne, then the answer is to build up your own brand. If I was in the drinks industry and produced cola, I don't have the right to sell it as Coca Cola. It's the same thing with Champagne.
        bayesian_horse 10y ago
        No it's not. But anyway, the point is that the third-party country has to follow EU rules without having a say in them. It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy.
  - jventura 10y ago
    This! In the last years my country, Portugal, has been seing a mass exodus of highly qualified young people (many nurses and medical doctors) mostly to England. If there are many restrictions to move to UK, I don't know if they will start moving to central europe (as outside france, we do not have any cultural proximity to other countries).. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for both countries.

ZenoArrow 10y ago

I doubt the UK would go for that deal either, so it's debatable whether it's a 'good' deal if neither group (on the whole) is likely to be interested in it. I'd suggest the deals made will be based on trade tariffs and product standards. Deals that required dealing with EU regulation or free movement of labour aren't likely to be popular in the UK. If the EU drags its heels, the UK will probably use it's position as a member of the British Commonwealth to push for increased trade between Commonwealth countries whilst it waits for EU trade deals to get ironed out.

Scarblac 10y ago
Of course the UK must negotiate with all the other countries it wants to trade with as well, not just the EU. But look at TTIP, that kind of thing takes decades.
bayesian_horse 10y ago
Well, the EU can't make such a deal without freedom of movement. All those countries the UK doesn't want EU immigrants out of? They aren't going to sign off on any deal without that. And good luck running your NHS without EU doctors...
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  Does the EU have any trade deals with countries outside the EU?
  - rodgerd 10y ago
    Yes. And I can tell you, as someone living in such a country, they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries. And typically involve respecting EU naming rules (can't call it champagne!), food products held to much higher standards than EU manufacturers, and quotas.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      > "they're extremely hostile to the non-EU countries" Can you give me one example? As for Champagne, its a product from the Champagne region of France (similar to how Prosecco is from Italy), I don't see why it's a problem to call similar products from elsewhere sparkling white wine.
      - bayesian_horse 10y ago
        The problem is a much lower price or much lower sales ;-)
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        If you're referring to Champagne, then the answer is to build up your own brand. If I was in the drinks industry and produced cola, I don't have the right to sell it as Coca Cola. It's the same thing with Champagne.
        bayesian_horse 10y ago
        No it's not. But anyway, the point is that the third-party country has to follow EU rules without having a say in them. It will probably also have to allow in EU exports which could threaten parts of their economy.
- jventura 10y ago
  This! In the last years my country, Portugal, has been seing a mass exodus of highly qualified young people (many nurses and medical doctors) mostly to England. If there are many restrictions to move to UK, I don't know if they will start moving to central europe (as outside france, we do not have any cultural proximity to other countries).. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for both countries.