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If the EU had been able to control its borders this would never have happened. Unfortunately it proved itself singularly incapable of dealing with even that tas

by estefan 10y ago

If the EU had been able to control its borders this would never have happened. Unfortunately it proved itself singularly incapable of dealing with even that task, having to cosy up to a dictator like Erdogan. There are too many bleeding hearts in European politics.

cm2187 10y ago
I'm not sure I agree. Rightly or wrongly, EU immigration, not african/middle-east migrants, was at the centre of the debate, Polish immigration in particular. I personally do not think that Polish immigration hurts the UK in any way, other than by increasing the strain on housing, and which has more to do with planning restrictions. But it is true that with close to a million Poles immigrating in less than 5 years, it is very much noticeable.
- biscotti 10y ago
  I do. Polish immigration is generally looked upon as favourable by those I speak to, people think they're hard workers and that many of them actually work in construction, building the houses we need. I'd wager that the OP hit the nail on the head here. There are many large Pakistani communities in England in areas such as the Midlands, East London and Bradford that do not inter-marry, socialise or integrate outside their own culture, and when after two or three generations this remains unchanged the perception to the locals is that the cohesion of their communities have taken a real turn for the worse. The EU's inability to manage middle eastern migrants in a controlled way, along with the belief that most will eventually hold EU passports and speak rudimentary English I think were major deciding factors in those communities, communities that have had demographic shifts not seen in Scotland and Northern Ireland & whose concerns are shut out and branded racist and xenophobic by both the media and the left.
  - selimthegrim 10y ago
    What exactly does Commonwealth immigration have to do with EU membership? Do they think there will be some refugee quota saddling them with that many again amount of brown Muslim people or something?

by estefan 10y ago

cm2187 10y ago

I'm not sure I agree. Rightly or wrongly, EU immigration, not african/middle-east migrants, was at the centre of the debate, Polish immigration in particular. I personally do not think that Polish immigration hurts the UK in any way, other than by increasing the strain on housing, and which has more to do with planning restrictions. But it is true that with close to a million Poles immigrating in less than 5 years, it is very much noticeable.

biscotti 10y ago
I do. Polish immigration is generally looked upon as favourable by those I speak to, people think they're hard workers and that many of them actually work in construction, building the houses we need. I'd wager that the OP hit the nail on the head here. There are many large Pakistani communities in England in areas such as the Midlands, East London and Bradford that do not inter-marry, socialise or integrate outside their own culture, and when after two or three generations this remains unchanged the perception to the locals is that the cohesion of their communities have taken a real turn for the worse. The EU's inability to manage middle eastern migrants in a controlled way, along with the belief that most will eventually hold EU passports and speak rudimentary English I think were major deciding factors in those communities, communities that have had demographic shifts not seen in Scotland and Northern Ireland & whose concerns are shut out and branded racist and xenophobic by both the media and the left.
- selimthegrim 10y ago
  What exactly does Commonwealth immigration have to do with EU membership? Do they think there will be some refugee quota saddling them with that many again amount of brown Muslim people or something?