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I truly do not understand our society. Europe is split, even if the countries aren't, the people are. Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-

by davnn 10y ago

I truly do not understand our society. Europe is split, even if the countries aren't, the people are. Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-educated against the less-educated. The clash of classes happens not only in Europe, the Trump success is the same story. Maybe I'm just too young and uninformed to understand and that's how the world works ever since?

WillPostForFood 10y ago
If you want to understand society better, start by accepting that there are well educated people on both sides.
- Simon321 10y ago
  In this case it's obvious that those were a minority on the 'Leave' side: http://m.imgur.com/SneDXWa?r http://m.imgur.com/SneDXWa?r
  - WillPostForFood 10y ago
    So like I said, there are well educated people on both sides. University educated split 65/35 to remain. There are reasons educated people disagree with each other. My point to the parent being: on just about every single issue, there is an educated person on both sides with an argument. To try and claim the high ground for oneself by saying there are no educated people in opposition is either self delusion or political posturing.
- davnn 10y ago
  I do accept that, I may have conveyed the wrong message there. I also did want not judge on what's good or bad. What I do judge however is that politicians are abusing the divide and the mass media directly influencing it. Non-egalitarian politicians are advertising themselves as the saviour of the poor. It's ironic. The media is publishing data on how education influences the votes and thus implicitly show that there are "the stupid" against "the smart". Politics is completely torn away from content to emotional rage. When people vote for the far-right they do not show that the far-right have a well thought strategy to make their lives better, but they show that they are not satisfied with their current situation. That's worrisome to me.
defen 10y ago
> Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-educated against the less-educated. The less-educated perceive that the well-educated have been giving them a raw deal, and looking at outcomes it's hard to think they're wrong. They also breed more, so there are more of them.
WhatIsThisIm12 10y ago
I'm highly educated and voting for trump.
- davnn 10y ago
  Makes more sense to me than if you were less educated, but I do not want to start that discussion. I am only speaking of the general public and not the individual.
chombier 10y ago
The well-educated people have been promising growth and prosperity to the less-educated for the last 30 years or so. It did work out quite well for the well-educated, but not so well for the less-educated. So now the less-educated beg to differ.
- jpgvm 10y ago
  It also worked out well for children of the less-educated. As evidenced here by the 75% remain vote of the younger population. Unfortunately this fact is lost on the less-educated. The older, less-educated and less-productive members of society are robbing their children of a future they not only desire but voted to preserve. A sad day for the youth of the UK.
  - chombier 10y ago
    There was also a lower turnout rate in the younger population, which I guess the less-educated contribute a lot to. The remain vote was around 60% of total younger population, with around 20% non-voters. The proportion of remain votes drops steadily as age goes up. This suggests that people get more and more critical of EU's ability to create jobs and wealth as their work and life experience increases, whereas younger people have praised EU's role in education and cultural exchanges. Why should it be "robbing their children of a future"? If people see no improvement in their life within the EU (quite the opposite in many cases), why should they want this future for their children? How is this robbing?
chillacy 10y ago
> a race of the well-educated against the less-educated Education level correlates with income as well, so you could also say it's the high income vs the low income. If the going's good, you don't want to change things. If you're getting shafted, might as well shake things up. This was on HN awhile back: https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/ https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/

by davnn 10y ago

WillPostForFood 10y ago

If you want to understand society better, start by accepting that there are well educated people on both sides.

Simon321 10y ago
In this case it's obvious that those were a minority on the 'Leave' side: http://m.imgur.com/SneDXWa?r http://m.imgur.com/SneDXWa?r
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  So like I said, there are well educated people on both sides. University educated split 65/35 to remain. There are reasons educated people disagree with each other. My point to the parent being: on just about every single issue, there is an educated person on both sides with an argument. To try and claim the high ground for oneself by saying there are no educated people in opposition is either self delusion or political posturing.
davnn 10y ago
I do accept that, I may have conveyed the wrong message there. I also did want not judge on what's good or bad. What I do judge however is that politicians are abusing the divide and the mass media directly influencing it. Non-egalitarian politicians are advertising themselves as the saviour of the poor. It's ironic. The media is publishing data on how education influences the votes and thus implicitly show that there are "the stupid" against "the smart". Politics is completely torn away from content to emotional rage. When people vote for the far-right they do not show that the far-right have a well thought strategy to make their lives better, but they show that they are not satisfied with their current situation. That's worrisome to me.

defen 10y ago

> Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-educated against the less-educated. The less-educated perceive that the well-educated have been giving them a raw deal, and looking at outcomes it's hard to think they're wrong. They also breed more, so there are more of them.

WhatIsThisIm12 10y ago

I'm highly educated and voting for trump.

davnn 10y ago
Makes more sense to me than if you were less educated, but I do not want to start that discussion. I am only speaking of the general public and not the individual.

chombier 10y ago

The well-educated people have been promising growth and prosperity to the less-educated for the last 30 years or so. It did work out quite well for the well-educated, but not so well for the less-educated. So now the less-educated beg to differ.

jpgvm 10y ago
It also worked out well for children of the less-educated. As evidenced here by the 75% remain vote of the younger population. Unfortunately this fact is lost on the less-educated. The older, less-educated and less-productive members of society are robbing their children of a future they not only desire but voted to preserve. A sad day for the youth of the UK.
- chombier 10y ago
  There was also a lower turnout rate in the younger population, which I guess the less-educated contribute a lot to. The remain vote was around 60% of total younger population, with around 20% non-voters. The proportion of remain votes drops steadily as age goes up. This suggests that people get more and more critical of EU's ability to create jobs and wealth as their work and life experience increases, whereas younger people have praised EU's role in education and cultural exchanges. Why should it be "robbing their children of a future"? If people see no improvement in their life within the EU (quite the opposite in many cases), why should they want this future for their children? How is this robbing?

chillacy 10y ago

> a race of the well-educated against the less-educated Education level correlates with income as well, so you could also say it's the high income vs the low income. If the going's good, you don't want to change things. If you're getting shafted, might as well shake things up. This was on HN awhile back: https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/ https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/