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anyone else concerned? The entire world seems to be moving towards fascist right wing nationalist politics. Whether it is the brexit, trumpism, or the austrian

anyone else concerned? The entire world seems to be moving towards fascist right wing nationalist politics. Whether it is the brexit, trumpism, or the austrian elections. Europe keeps getting destabilized. If i was an enemy of europe and freedom, id be cheering. Instead i'm deeply concerned.

bjourne 10y ago
I don't think the EU was stable to begin with. See the refugee problems, Greece financial situation, North vs. South gap, different economies... It's better we end the relationships on good terms like this than be dragged into a US Civil War scenario.
Zpalmtree 10y ago
The EU is the opposite of freedom. This is Britain choosing to not let unelected bureaucrats of Brussels tell Britain what laws we should have.
- 627467 10y ago
  ...even if you ignore the second largest democraticaly elected body in the world, European Directives are designed by nationally appointed bureaucrats and implemented (as law) how and when the local Parliaments decide. I agreed that the People should have even more direct influence in this process but leaving the room is the opposite of being constructive. The thing is, the -exit camps can't have it both ways: saying that EU is imposing and than arguing that someone should make it more Democratic or" else we'll leave".
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- eggie 10y ago
  Many of us non-UK people find your position hilarious. You seek freedom from a representative system in a monarchy whose upper legislature is composed of hereditary titulars. You'll say they don't do much, and I'll remind you that neither do the bureaucrats in Brussels.
  - Zpalmtree 10y ago
    The Monarchy could technically override our law, but never do. The house of lords can block legislation for up to a year, but only three times, and legislation can be pushed through with a simple commons majority. Brussels however, makes up to 60% of our laws (It depends who you ask), and they override ours. We can't control our borders while in the EU, we get forced frustrating legislation on us, things like inferior low energy bulbs, which might be good for the environment but are nowhere near as good as traditional ones, and we can't vote out the people who make our laws when we don't like them. Now we can.
zghst 10y ago
The current liberal order isn't helping the world out so much. Another incredibly hyperbolic, right wing bad / left wing corrupt elites plan good.
gottam 10y ago
its knee jerk reactions to the extremist left politics the internet and the media has taken away a lot of the moderates
- ionised 10y ago
  What extremist left politics?
  - zghst 10y ago
    Endless immigration without checks and balances
  - CM30 10y ago
    Calling people racist because they don't think immigration is a good thing/a good thing in all circumstances? Personal attacks on those that don't agree with the agenda? A constant focus on identity politics over economic issues?
tim333 10y ago
Most of the Brexit voters seem pretty non fascist and Hillary is well ahead in the polls so I don't think it's that bad.

bjourne 10y ago

I don't think the EU was stable to begin with. See the refugee problems, Greece financial situation, North vs. South gap, different economies... It's better we end the relationships on good terms like this than be dragged into a US Civil War scenario.

Zpalmtree 10y ago

The EU is the opposite of freedom. This is Britain choosing to not let unelected bureaucrats of Brussels tell Britain what laws we should have.

627467 10y ago
...even if you ignore the second largest democraticaly elected body in the world, European Directives are designed by nationally appointed bureaucrats and implemented (as law) how and when the local Parliaments decide. I agreed that the People should have even more direct influence in this process but leaving the room is the opposite of being constructive. The thing is, the -exit camps can't have it both ways: saying that EU is imposing and than arguing that someone should make it more Democratic or" else we'll leave".
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eggie 10y ago
Many of us non-UK people find your position hilarious. You seek freedom from a representative system in a monarchy whose upper legislature is composed of hereditary titulars. You'll say they don't do much, and I'll remind you that neither do the bureaucrats in Brussels.
- Zpalmtree 10y ago
  The Monarchy could technically override our law, but never do. The house of lords can block legislation for up to a year, but only three times, and legislation can be pushed through with a simple commons majority. Brussels however, makes up to 60% of our laws (It depends who you ask), and they override ours. We can't control our borders while in the EU, we get forced frustrating legislation on us, things like inferior low energy bulbs, which might be good for the environment but are nowhere near as good as traditional ones, and we can't vote out the people who make our laws when we don't like them. Now we can.

zghst 10y ago

The current liberal order isn't helping the world out so much. Another incredibly hyperbolic, right wing bad / left wing corrupt elites plan good.

gottam 10y ago

its knee jerk reactions to the extremist left politics the internet and the media has taken away a lot of the moderates

ionised 10y ago
What extremist left politics?
- zghst 10y ago
  Endless immigration without checks and balances
- CM30 10y ago
  Calling people racist because they don't think immigration is a good thing/a good thing in all circumstances? Personal attacks on those that don't agree with the agenda? A constant focus on identity politics over economic issues?

tim333 10y ago

Most of the Brexit voters seem pretty non fascist and Hillary is well ahead in the polls so I don't think it's that bad.