I don't think anyone is really claiming EU is fine. Or that the dividing line is defined along young/old. What is being voted on is simply whether the good bit

I don't think anyone is really claiming EU is fine. Or that the dividing line is defined along young/old. What is being voted on is simply whether the good bits outweigh the sucky bits. Or whether the sucky bits are at least reformable. Existence of the sucky bits is beyond question.