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I think you're wrong to despair. The Europe of < 1910 was very different. Socially, politically, and economically. If the EU dissolved today, I don't believe
by rukittenme 10y ago
I think you're wrong to despair.
The Europe of < 1910 was very different. Socially, politically, and economically. If the EU dissolved today, I don't believe France and Germany would be at war within 200 years. So long as strong democratic values persist in Europe, peace, I think, is a certainty.
- afarrell 10y agoThere is currently war in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Ukrainian_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Ukrainian_cr...
- rukittenme 10y agoYes but Russia is not a member of the EU and its not really a democracy.
- thomasahle 10y agoThere's never been a war between EU countries though.
- toyg 10y agoNobody believed a dissolved Yugoslavia would be at war either. Ethnic cleansing followed. People don't realize how easy things can snowball, once you let in darkness. Watch this movie, it's brilliant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Civil_War
- cyphar 10y agoYugoslavia was always divided, so it's not _really_ a valid comparison.
- toyg 10y agoScotland was also "always divided". EU countries are still so divided in practice (this vote being proof). Look at Gibraltar. Channel tax havens. Nuclear submarines and oil platforms in Scotland. All these situations will now have to be renegotiated. Negotiations between states sometimes fail, and when they do, there's always that extension of diplomacy behind the corner: war. There are endless fault lines all around us, which will be opened by renouncing the superior structures keeping them together.