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His latest update seems crazy- p at .03 based on that data seems like an unlikely jump based on the changes in votes and % reporting from each update. Seems bo
by jboydyhacker 10y ago
His latest update seems crazy- p at .03 based on that data seems like an unlikely jump based on the changes in votes and % reporting from each update.
Seems bogus.
- dbcooper 10y agoYup! He did qualify his prediction though: https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/eu-referendum-rolling-forecasts-1a625014af55#.rm6qzo819 https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/eu-referendum-rolling-fore... >This is a big update, and I'm conscious that I may have made a terrible mistake somewhere in estimating differential turnout, but here goes:
- cperciva 10y agoThat was P = 0.03, or 3%. Not 0.03%.
- tomp 10y agoThat update might be a bit dated... Glasgow just reported, heavily in favor of Bremain, tipping the scale of the current vote count.
- redwood 10y agoThe totals will go back and forth, but it's all about turnout proportionally in in- vs out- regions versus original projections. Glasgow was expected to be massively pro-remain but did Glasgow turn out in higher/lower numbers than anticipated? and did Glasgow go more or less pro-remain than anticipated? I would be very very worried if I were a British citizen in the remain camp right now.
- cdash 10y agoDepends on how Glasgow was predicted to vote in their model. If it matches their prediction then the impact would be limited.
- jonas21 10y agoWhy does the drop from p=0.32 to p=0.03 seem crazy/bogus? Isn't that what you'd expect as the probability distribution both narrows (with more evidence) and moves toward the 'leave' side?
- excalibur 10y agoIt's a big jump in a single update. Given that Remain has since pulled ahead in the raw total, this only makes it appear more questionable.
- hencq 10y agoThat Remain pulled ahead is somewhat irrelevant though. That seems to be mostly due to London reporting in, which was always expected to vote Remain. What's relevant (for this model at least) is whether the results are higher or lower than predicted per area.
- EGreg 10y agoAnd now Leave is ahead again
- voyou 10y agoIf the model is being updated based on results as they come in, and the results coming in are not randomly distributed, then the updates will be of questionable value. In particular, this update came when a large number of predicted pro-leave results had come in, and no results from predicted strong pro-remain results had come in, so I'm not sure it has much value as a prediction.
- notahacker 10y agoInteresting he's since increased the certainty of a Leave vote even after a couple of unexpectedly strong pro-Remain votes swung the betting markets back in favour of Remain Whether that's because he's better than the markets at modelling differential turnout or the markets know things his confirmed results data doesn't about predicted results in places like Birmingham remains to be seen...
- Reason077 10y agoAs I understand it, the model is based on the difference between expected and actual results in each area. So the order that results come in should not affect the prediction.
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- _delirium 10y ago> So the order that results come in should not affect the prediction. This model uses a frequentist prediction interval, which assumes independently drawn samples, meaning reporting order must be random for the assumptions to be valid. If reporting is non-random, e.g. how early or late a district reports is correlated with things like region, demographics, population density, etc., then the prediction interval is probably narrower than it should be, especially early on in the reporting (meaning the model is overconfident in its prediction). The headline prediction is more robust if you just want to know which outcome is more likely given current results, but the probabilities being badly calibrated due to these kinds of model assumptions is a common issue in quantitative polisci models.